Let's talk about Noah's Ark here
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I agree with you this is an open forum. The reason that it is classified is to let people know that what the forum is about so that they can enter the fourms to chat according to the topic intended. Since this is a christian forum, you should respect us and not find fault with us.Originally posted by laurence82:Well, i can repeat, no forum is a closed forum
it isnt within the walls of a church or a room where a cell group congregate
as long as its a public forum, its the public
anyway, u dont read my post carefully, i said u are diff in the sense u aim me, not because u are evangelising
sheesh
another point, counter is a strong word...i rather use the word 'question'
the countering job, one example, is what SIS is doing now...
if u dont like me questioning, too bad....
No, I din mean I aim you because I evangelise. I think you misunderstood me.
Ya, maybe I should use the word "question" for you.
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Oh dear, then this is the wrong reason I should ever come to EH for.Originally posted by Icemoon:the donkey is our newly promoted mod.
dun stop never give up .. we still need your arguments to push up the ratings.
me bad.
Oh, I can't find the christianity is all about here. I think I shall not visit here as often as before. This is really bad christian ethics. Oh dear.... No, we dun argue our point to push the ratings. No no...
Is the newly promoted mod that bad? Why? He/she okay leh. Dunno y... -
sigh, many times i brought up terms like devils advocate or progress thru conflictsOriginally posted by jnwk:I agree with you this is an open forum. The reason that it is classified is to let people know that what the forum is about so that they can enter the fourms to chat according to the topic intended. Since this is a christian forum, you should respect us and not find fault with us.
No, I din mean I aim you because I evangelise. I think you misunderstood me.
Ya, maybe I should use the word "question" for you.
ur journey to god and christ wont be smooth, no one's journey will be
why shouldnt one not find faults? if there is a fault, it must be eradicated..
if i have a specific question or thoughts on a belief or the actions of a religious member, u wouldnt find me keeping quiet for the sake of respect
this is the 21st century, no longer a time for subservience and respect and so on
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this is what i been trying to tell icemoonOriginally posted by jnwk:Oh dear, then this is the wrong reason I should ever come to EH for.
Oh, I can't find the christianity is all about here. I think I shall not visit here as often as before. This is really bad christian ethics. Oh dear.... No, we dun argue our point to push the ratings. No no...
Is the newly promoted mod that bad? Why? He/she okay leh. Dunno y...
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Thank you.Originally posted by laurence82:sigh, many times i brought up terms like devils advocate or progress thru conflicts
ur journey to god and christ wont be smooth, no one's journey will be
why shouldnt one not find faults? if there is a fault, it must be eradicated..
if i have a specific question or thoughts on a belief or the actions of a religious member, u wouldnt find me keeping quiet for the sake of respect
this is the 21st century, no longer a time for subservience and respect and so on
sorry to say, i am just being assertive...
You have just confirmed what my pastor had said. Where is the faults?
List all down pls.
I hope you can see your faults yourself too, if there are any? Don't always look for others faults. Look at yourslef first lar.
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ok lah .. i was too engrossed with the numbers. From < 20 to 44+ then 60+ ..Originally posted by laurence82:this is what i been trying to tell icemoon
*shake head*
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aiyoh... here isn't that bad la...Originally posted by jnwk:Oh dear, then this is the wrong reason I should ever come to EH for.
Oh, I can't find the christianity is all about here. I think I shall not visit here as often as before. This is really bad christian ethics. Oh dear.... No, we dun argue our point to push the ratings. No no...
Is the newly promoted mod that bad? Why? He/she okay leh. Dunno y...
come come.. stay around ... the more the merrier and i can get more views from my Christian brothers -
I will come in when I want to relax.Originally posted by ben1xy:aiyoh... here isn't that bad la...
come come.. stay around ... the more the merrier and i can get more views from my Christian brothers
Thinking . . . Why have I come here for? Dunno what makes me write so many posts . . . 
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a stirring to share your faith? to defend your faith? its normalOriginally posted by jnwk:I will come in when I want to relax.
Thinking . . . Why have I come here for? Dunno what makes me write so many posts . . .
but i reckon starting with love is the way to really spread the good news.
a priest that i hold dear to my heart (he;s in Uganda now) once preached; Where is the church? it's everywhere where love is. that msg has always stuck with me -
My question to you is still, what's wrong with making money? If they think a movie is the best way to share their discovery to the world, who are you to criticise them? Are you saying they shouldn't make a single cent? Oh .. maybe they should ask Golden Village to charge us $1 per entry right?
Well, then why do u seems to stop me when I mention tat a possible moltivation for their movie is to earn money
If they think tat making a movie on... well... really no discovery and earning big money from it is okay, then so be itThey never found empirical evidence the tallest mountains are covered by the flood. Who told you that?
Then watever things they say about the evidence of the flood become irrelevant to the bible since the bible states tat the flood covered the whole earth till the tip of the highest mountainI never said you said religion is best seller. Read again. I said religion don't sell, or at least orthodox religion don't sell. Only conspiracy theories like Da Vinci Code sells.
COm'on, the previous reply u r using lord of the rings etc and u r comparing with "pop culture" without a word on whether does religion sell. U think religion don't sell, then why does Hill songs get to sell so much record, da vinci code get so much attention and even the cds from HYS get to sell so fast.Also .. you conveniently forgot one thing - the documentary is in chinese. Use your brain. Can a chinese documentary with no conspiracy no famous actor and actresses and director sell?
U forgot one thing. There r a lot of chinese who r christians in canada, china, singapore, malaysia, hong kong and taiwan. In fact they made up a big market out there. On comparing with chinese films with leading actresses etc r again another weak comparison. U heard of fahrenheit 911 ?All secret meh? Cannot be lah. I said the public do not have readily access, unless the govt grants permission.
However they do not go to wat u described as great depth where the army camp cannot be filmed even with the guidance of its own people. In fact it was label as a national park now really shows tat there is really little or perhaps nothing about military secrets on the mountians. Otherwise why make it become a national park almost after a few weeks ? In tis sense u r still wrong. Whether the people can access it easily it already become a matter of, well, one sided story.
The mountain the film says the people cannot access readily. At least this was true when the film was made.When they tried to apply for permission, the evidence wasn't found yet (obviously right?). Now they have some evidence. The govt knows they are not there to dig out military secrets. So the place is open? wahahha
Why do u think tat the opening up of mount ararat has anything tyo do with the documentary ? IMO I think they don't even know anything about the documentary at all. It is now a national park. If there r so many secret bases there then u wouldn't expect them to change their stand completely and allowing any tom dick and harry over. U think shifting a military base is as simple as ABC ?In all fairness, the govt officially opened up the place at on 1st of November 2004 according to your article, but the expediton was carried out during October. So whatever I said was correct 'cos the govt haven't opened up during the expedition.
Lets put it tis way. If the gov wanna open it as a national park, we expect the preparation for such a launch to take perhaps months before it finalized. The claims tat they were stopped from bringing more people because of closely guarded military secrets do not hold much water especially now perhaps anyone with money can go over for a holiday or to find their "ark".Muslims and Jews are not interested in evangelism. At most those evidence affirm their own faith only.
And they loved to have a chance to affirm their own faith. As said if it is there the muslim people and gov there would have done a conclusive search to affirm their faithWell .. since u so sure can u just throw me some muslim and jewish websites that support your argument? I am quite sure they never say non believers will go to hell. You want to lump them together with Christians you got to prove to us. 'cos the common understanding is only Christianity preaches exclusive salvation.
For muslims
http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/christ_trap.htm
Many times, Muslims fail to realize that the Islamic concept of salvation is not based upon good deeds, but is based primarily upon faith.
In the dozens of times Allah (SWT) talks in the Quran about salvation, he always states, "Those who believe and do good deeds."
Belief is always mentioned before deeds or works.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/que6.htm
Many times, Muslims fail to realize that the Islaamic concept of salvation is not based upon good deeds, but is based primarily upon faith
For judaism, well they do speak tat non-believers get a chance to go to heaven. -
You have not shown me they are making big money. What is its ranking in Box Office?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Well, then why do u seems to stop me when I mention tat a possible moltivation for their movie is to earn money If they think tat making a movie on... well... really no discovery and earning big money from it is okay, then so be itThen watever things they say about the evidence of the flood become irrelevant to the bible since the bible states tat the flood covered the whole earth till the tip of the highest mountain
Genesis 7:19 - They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
Where got say highest mountain? Also, I said they were not finding and not found evidence the flood covered the highest mountain. How does this make their evidence of the ark irrelevant?COm'on, the previous reply u r using lord of the rings etc and u r comparing with "pop culture" without a word on whether does religion sell. U think religion don't sell, then why does Hill songs get to sell so much record, da vinci code get so much attention and even the cds from HYS get to sell so fast.
I don't think such a religious documentary sells. At least it won't sell better than Lord of the Rings and pop culture. Hill songs sell so much record .. maybe a lot of xtians buy them? But not surprising since they have a large fan base and charismatic churches like to use their songs for worship. Da Vinci Code gets so much attention 'cos of the conspiracy theories inside, not religion. CDs from HYS sell 'cos pple support her and like her song? Anyway your examples are inappropriate for comparison with this chinese documentary.U forgot one thing. There r a lot of chinese who r christians in canada, china, singapore, malaysia, hong kong and taiwan. In fact they made up a big market out there. On comparing with chinese films with leading actresses etc r again another weak comparison. U heard of fahrenheit 911 ?
This "big market" is not easily quantified. Also, big market doesn't mean it will sell. The movies you see in cinema also have their big market (practically the whole world), but do all of them sell?
fahrenheit 911? what is that? another chinese documentary about orthodox religion?
However they do not go to wat u described as great depth where the army camp cannot be filmed even with the guidance of its own people.
MINDEF really dun allow ST reporters to film 3 door bunk, this was the example I used. Also SAF will not anyhow let people film their facility. I think if you say you wanna do school project want to film Hendon Camp .. don't think they let you do it.Why do u think tat the opening up of mount ararat has anything tyo do with the documentary ? IMO I think they don't even know anything about the documentary at all. It is now a national park. If there r so many secret bases there then u wouldn't expect them to change their stand completely and allowing any tom dick and harry over. U think shifting a military base is as simple as ABC ?
Even the article you quoted also mention their excuse was 'cos of military precaution - "For some years both the Turkish and the Soviet governments have been touchy about foreigners exploring on Ararat because of military security precautions. Therefore it was difficult to get permission to climb it for sports fans." (http://www.allaboutturkey.com/ararat.htm)
Also from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html :
The Turkish government refused to grant the explorers permission to climb the mountain. Soon, the mission itself was put on ice .. McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone.And they loved to have a chance to affirm their own faith. As said if it is there the muslim people and gov there would have done a conclusive search to affirm their faith
Dunno .. were Muslims ever interested in Noah's Ark? Christians seem to be interested in everything - holy grail, ark of the covenant, noah's ark etc. Muslims bah .. I dunno. Dunno lah .. maybe they did send their secret team to search for Noah's Ark .. who knows?For judaism, well they do speak tat non-believers get a chance to go to heaven.
Islam is a funny religion. Your Malay frens know we non Muslims are all going to hell (Quran quite explicit on this?) yet they stand by do nothing. Never even preach their gospel to us. Na bei .. they are worse than xtians .. I'm not ashamed to say that. -
in a way i am opinionated, i know where my biases are, but i can assure u its not in this forum.....Originally posted by jnwk:Thank you. You have just confirmed what my pastor had said. Where is the faults?
List all down pls.
I hope you can see your faults yourself too, if there are any? Don't always look for others faults. Look at yourslef first lar.
Ops, I din mean to stir up another loop. Really sian of this.
strange, u once said i counter every view, did u see the views i 'counter'? these are the faults, some of them are, that i am talking abt
i wish u would ask me there and then, instead of now
looking out for my own faults? it would have been appropriate within aunt agony forum, but we are discussing christians issues isnt it? -
Oh dear, you do not understand what I'm talking. Nvm lar. Doen'st matter. Won't harm you if you do not know.Originally posted by laurence82:in a way i am opinionated, i know where my biases are, but i can assure u its not in this forum.....
strange, u once said i counter every view, did u see the views i 'counter'? these are the faults, some of them are, that i am talking abt
i wish u would ask me there and then, instead of now
looking out for my own faults? it would have been appropriate within aunt agony forum, but we are discussing christians issues isnt it?
I do not wish to continue the lengthy process of picking bit by bit to question here and there.
The topics seems to be deviating every now and then.
Please do not reply to this post. I will stop the discussion here. Thank You. 
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You have not shown me they are making big money. What is its ranking in Box Office?
Com'on, as said before u r comparing with box office hits tat spent much efforts, much budget, much money to make. I only need to say. R they earning money from ticket sales ? R they earnign money from many countries even canada and america ? In HK the moive is shown in at least 20 cinemas.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/hongkong/2005/40.htm
In HK is made its place to be the 5 highest grossing movie in tat week !
http://www.thedaysofnoah.com/en_index_intro_story.asp
It even ask people to "sponsor" the trip. They r earning money lah !
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Weekend/GD09Jp01.html
Claiming to be the first locally made large-scale documentary - and an evangelical one at that - Noah has set Hong Kong box office records alight. Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 was screened at seven cinemas last year, Noah is shown six times a day in 27 mainstream theaters.
It is bringing in the money and money is a good thing, says Pastor Lam, the man behind a series of controversial large-scale evangelical comedy shows
SO WAT R U GONNA SAY ABOUT THEM NOT MAKING MONEY ?Genesis 7:19 - They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
HAHAHAH !! U read the word in bold. It says ALL HIGH MOUNTAINS. Is the tallest mountains not a high mountain ? U want me to define the word "all" ?
Where got say highest mountain? Also, I said they were not finding and not found evidence the flood covered the highest mountain. How does this make their evidence of the ark irrelevant?Even the article you quoted also mention their excuse was 'cos of military precaution - "For some years both the Turkish and the Soviet governments have been touchy about foreigners exploring on Ararat because of military security precautions. Therefore it was difficult to get permission to climb it for sports fans." (http://www.allaboutturkey.com/ararat.htm)
U see, his expedition is in Oct. In Nov it is gonna be announce to be a national park. U mean in just a few weeks they can make the military base dissappear ? It can be shown tat during tat period of time the military reason iis really not the reason since they have probably remove the military sensitive parts away then
Also from http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html :
The Turkish government refused to grant the explorers permission to climb the mountain. Soon, the mission itself was put on ice .. McGivern may have been more interested in generating publicity than mounting a serious search, critics now suggest. By making an early announcement, he may have tried to persuade the Turkish government into granting him a permit. Few expeditions have actually obtained clearance to climb Mount Ararat, which is located in a military zone. -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Yah .. earning money doesn't mean they are earning big money. How much of the money goes into their pocket?
Com'on, as said before u r comparing with box office hits tat spent much efforts, much budget, much money to make. I only need to say. R they earning money from ticket sales ? R they earnign money from many countries even canada and america ? In HK the moive is shown in at least 20 cinemas.In HK is made its place to be the 5 highest grossing movie in tat week !
how come it is ranked twice inside?It even ask people to "sponsor" the trip. They r earning money lah !
doesn't click. if they are earning, still ask pple to donate for "post production" costs? what the heck is that?Claiming to be the first locally made large-scale documentary - and an evangelical one at that - Noah has set Hong Kong box office records alight. Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 was screened at seven cinemas last year, Noah is shown six times a day in 27 mainstream theaters.
In HK only? I won't be surprised since HK pple understands cantonese the best.
It is bringing in the money and money is a good thing, says Pastor Lam, the man behind a series of controversial large-scale evangelical comedy shows
Ok .. I concede they are making some money. Period. Don't you go around repeating they are making money as scams.SO WAT R U GONNA SAY ABOUT THEM NOT MAKING MONEY ?
I lost. They are making money.
HAHAHAH !! U read the word in bold. It says ALL HIGH MOUNTAINS. Is the tallest mountains not a high mountain ? U want me to define the word "all" ?
na bei .. i think i lost again.U see, his expedition is in Oct. In Nov it is gonna be announce to be a national park. U mean in just a few weeks they can make the military base dissappear ? It can be shown tat during tat period of time the military reason iis really not the reason since they have probably remove the military sensitive parts away then
ok lor .. not real reason lor .. i'm just parroting what they said on the fim and in their film. oh yah .. was their permission given in OCT? if not, then your argument not valid. -
When does the red snow appear? Every year?
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i tink arnd 20 years.Originally posted by happyharvest:When does the red snow appear? Every year? -
Jialat, if that is so, then the next one will occur ard 2018 which is 1948 + 70.Originally posted by Icemoon:i tink arnd 20 years. -
next time it will rain human blood .. lolOriginally posted by happyharvest:Jialat, if that is so, then the next one will occur ard 2018 which is 1948 + 70. -
You mean bloodshed?Originally posted by Icemoon:next time it will rain human blood .. lol -
So what are you going to do with those different views you recieved?Originally posted by ben1xy:aiyoh... here isn't that bad la...
come come.. stay around ... the more the merrier and i can get more views from my Christian brothers
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Do you remember where does the red snow occur?Originally posted by Icemoon:i tink arnd 20 years. -
around the mountain?Originally posted by happyharvest:Do you remember where does the red snow occur? -
nothing! everyone is entitled to their own views.Originally posted by M©+square:So what are you going to do with those different views you recieved?
Cheers
it would be presumptious to think that i am always correct.
the same must be said for others though
but in any case.. its nice having a myriad of views. u can decipher and make ur choice bah