Let's talk about Noah's Ark here
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if you watched the "the days of noah",
they found some fossils (of sea animals) embedded in the rocks on the mountain. how did those get there?!
they claim woods found on the mountain is around 5000 years old. dunno this test true or fake one. there was this guy who actually kept splinters from the ark from his expedition decades ago.. -
Originally posted by earthlings73:
I see your "lol" at the end .. don't laugh too fast. That was not the expediton mentioned in "the days of noah" documentary that claimed to find the ark.
Okay.. did more search about the expedition mentioned in your post..
6 months before the expedition:
Noah's Ark Found? Turkey Expedition Planned for Summer[/b]
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0427_040427_noahsark.html
6 months after the expedition:
Noah's Ark Quest Dead in Water -- Was It a Stunt?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0920_040920_noahs_ark.html
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Ah.. not yet leh..Originally posted by Icemoon:if you watched the "the days of noah",
they found some fossils (of sea animals) embedded in the rocks on the mountain. how did those get there?!
they claim woods found on the mountain is around 5000 years old. dunno this test true or fake one. there was this guy who actually kept splinters from the ark from his expedition decades ago..
Err.. Mountains are formed by 2 continental plates pushing against one another mah.. So, if an sea animal died a long time ago.. trapped into the land near the sea.. the continental plates will pushing the remains of the animals upwards mah.. Ah, I've forgotten my geography liao.. Hope my description is fair enough.. ha..
In fact, Da Vinci wrote in his diaries about his discoveries of Whales in a cave in the mountain.. Which prompted him to think abt the formation of mountains.. ha.. It's in another BBC production.. Ah.. My house is filled with BBC documentaries now.. =p
As for the real proof.. I think I would wait for the Scientific (historians, archeologist, etc) community to verify lor.. Btw, historians believe in the existence of the Ark too.. However, whether there's a big flood that covered the entire earth or not is more debatable.. If you are a beliver, you will believe that the flood covered the whole world, killing everyone in the process.. If you are a non-believer., you will believe that the flood affected only the Iraqi (Sumeria) area.. -
ah.. but then if there's really such an expedition.. I dont think the Scientific community will totally ignore loh.. they are really interested to find the Ark too.. Since it helps the historians and archeologists to under what's life like 5000 years ago..Originally posted by Icemoon:I see your "lol" at the end .. don't laugh too fast. That was not the expediton mentioned in "the days of noah" documentary that claimed to find the ark.
Is the any scientist (historians or archeologists) being interviewed in the days of noah? -
.. and they say the ship couldn't have land up on that attitude?Originally posted by earthlings73:Err.. Mountains are formed by 2 continental plates pushing against one another mah.. So, if an sea animal died a long time ago.. trapped into the land near the sea.. the continental plates will pushing the remains of the animals upwards mah.. Ah, I've forgotten my geography liao.. Hope my description is fair enough.. ha..
the problem with the national geo articles or bbc (read: secular) documentary is they tackled the problem from a scientific angle .. this one not possible that one not possible .. so any miracle from God will surely be discounted (if there were miracles in the first place) -
got lah .. but of course they interview pple who dun disagree with their pov right? lol .. just like any other documentary.Originally posted by earthlings73:ah.. but then if there's really such an expedition.. I dont think the Scientific community will totally ignore loh.. they are really interested to find the Ark too.. Since it helps the historians and archeologists to under what's life like 5000 years ago..
Is the any scientist (historians or archeologists) being interviewed in the days of noah?
the actual expedition which claimed to find the ark .. no historians or archaeologists on the team. not that they dun want .. 'cos the guide say can only bring two pple (hmm did they count the camera man?) .. so the director brought the pastor along .. lol
maybe the scientific community are still skeptical so dun want to comment .. or like the national geo article quoted one scientist, "we dun want to deal with fringe research"? -
earthlings73, can find for us the academic community view on the underwater city (they saw a pyramid too!!) in Okinawa, the san1 xing1 dui1 civilization in Sichuan and the true age of the pyramid and sphinx?
the chinese documentary cited the above 3 evidence for the global flood. -
I'm busy to comment to any of the posts up there. Will comment when free.
But , can I have a show of hand, who believe in the recent documentary film regarding the exact location of the ark founded?
I myself am 90% believe it is found. But when they managed to enter the ark and take photographs inside after the water dry off, I will be 100% convinced. -
There's a title on Pyramid for BBC.. =p but not the rest..Originally posted by Icemoon:earthlings73, can find for us the academic community view on the underwater city (they saw a pyramid too!!) in Okinawa, the san1 xing1 dui1 civilization in Sichuan and the true age of the pyramid and sphinx?
the chinese documentary cited the above 3 evidence for the global flood.
Somehow pyramid is not a strictly a Jewish concept, or is it? -
Ah.. Without the photographs and the scientific community certifying that the photographs are for real, I'll be 0% convinced.. =pOriginally posted by jnwk:I'm busy to comment to any of the posts up there. Will comment when free.
But , can I have a show of hand, who believe in the recent documentary film regarding the exact location of the ark founded?
I myself am 90% believe it is found. But when they managed to enter the ark and take photographs inside after the water dry off, I will be 100% convinced.
Not that I dont believe in the Ark.. Just that finding the Ark does not prove the entire world was flooded.. -
yup.. i'm just addressing the issue of how sea animal fossils can be found on top of a mountain mah.. =pOriginally posted by Icemoon:.. and they say the ship couldn't have land up on that attitude?
the problem with the national geo articles or bbc (read: secular) documentary is they tackled the problem from a scientific angle .. this one not possible that one not possible .. so any miracle from God will surely be discounted (if there were miracles in the first place)
actually hor.. BBC quite objective one lah.. they look at evidences from both camps.. they always engages theologists in their Religion related documentaries.. -
earthlings73,Originally posted by earthlings73:Ah.. Without the photographs and the scientific community certifying that the photographs are for real, I'll be 0% convinced.. =p
Not that I dont believe in the Ark.. Just that finding the Ark does not prove the entire world was flooded..
Have you watched the film?
Oh, you want the photographs and video? Yes, they do have it. You want to prove if they are for real, well, they found the location of the ark just last year. Wait for them to prove more lo. Time will tell everything!
"However, the General Director Men-fei Yun said that the documentary did not aim to prove the authenticity of their discovery, but focused on guiding people to see God and His judgement through the Flood."
I don't think as a christians themselves, they want to lie. Worse till, lie to the whole world by showing false photographs and videos, tainting the name of Jesus Christ!
Nevertheless, their showing of the documentary film over many countries shows that their story is credible.
Anyway, earthlings73, keep in view this, ok?
Time will tell everything.
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wah .. BBC chose to ignore the evidence .. haha .. (just joking)Originally posted by earthlings73:There's a title on Pyramid for BBC.. =p but not the rest..
Somehow pyramid is not a strictly a Jewish concept, or is it?
Pyramid is whose concept then? So many civilizations have pyramids. I written somewhere even Li-Shan of Chin Shih-Huang looks like a pyramid ..
The tower of Babel .. also a pyramid? so maybe God confused the people so they separate .. but all knows how to build pyramid .. haha -
and how does one link all this to god, specifically to god in christianity?
hinting here and there doesnt work u noe... -
It links to the God in the Hebrew Bible. I think among the godly texts, it provides the most convincing framework. Well, think of it as the best theory around.
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So, other historical texts of other culture mention the great flood, but only christianity links it to god works, so, we must believe the bible?
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Aiyo, the Brits are the ones who brought Christianity into this region when they colonise us, do you think they will completely ignore Biblical source?Originally posted by Icemoon:wah .. BBC chose to ignore the evidence .. haha .. (just joking)
Pyramid is whose concept then? So many civilizations have pyramids. I written somewhere even Li-Shan of Chin Shih-Huang looks like a pyramid ..
The tower of Babel .. also a pyramid? so maybe God confused the people so they separate .. but all knows how to build pyramid .. haha
Tried my very best to find information on Qin Shi Huang..
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shaanxi/xian/terra_cotta_army/mausoleum_1.htm
http://english.people.com.cn/200208/25/eng20020825_102017.shtml
http://www.cnhomestay.com/city/terracotta/burial.htm
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong direction.. But nothing seems to suggest that Chinese are fond of Pyramids leh?
Pyramids are used by the Egyptians mah.. Part of their beliefs about how the soul can escape from the tip of the Pyramids.. Let me research more on Pyramids first.. -
Pyramids and lyramids-like are two diff things isnt it. Even mountains look like a humongous pyramid, if u choose to see it that way.
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Originally posted by earthlings73:
hmm.. i thought mostly by missionaries? like the catholic church in SEA was largely helped by St Francis Xavier
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Aiyo, the Brits are the ones who brought Christianity into this region when they colonise us, do you think they will completely ignore Biblical source? -
As a good empiricist, I've managed to find all the related articles (in fact, all can be found in wikipedia if you type the correct word for search.. ha..)Originally posted by Icemoon:wah .. BBC chose to ignore the evidence .. haha .. (just joking)
Pyramid is whose concept then? So many civilizations have pyramids. I written somewhere even Li-Shan of Chin Shih-Huang looks like a pyramid ..
The tower of Babel .. also a pyramid? so maybe God confused the people so they separate .. but all knows how to build pyramid .. haha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_pyramids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_pyramids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids
Here comes the question.. Why didn't God teach the Jewish how to build pyramids? -
Ah.. me bad.. heh.. meant that as a joke to say that England is still very much a Christian/Catholic country.. A broadcasting company will be mindful not to antagonise with the general audience.. =pOriginally posted by ben1xy:hmm.. i thought mostly by missionaries? like the catholic church in SEA was largely helped by St Francis Xavier -
my bad!! been staring at journals since this morning ..... a bit slow nowOriginally posted by earthlings73:Ah.. me bad.. heh.. meant that as a joke to say that England is still very much a Christian/Catholic country.. A broadcasting company will be mindful not to antagonise with the general audience.. =p -
If Noah's ark is proven to be true, then we can prove the truthfulness of the bible. And if the bible is proven to be accurate and true, then we know that it is God's words and there is a God who created heaven and earth.Originally posted by laurence82:and how does one link all this to god, specifically to god in christianity?
hinting here and there doesnt work u noe...
I would think that people do not believe in the One True God mainly because they deem the bible as written by falliable men. But the bible is clear that the bible is written by God's chosen 40 over people through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And if by proving the existence of Noah's ark, we know that the story of the great flood is no longer a myth and the bible can be proven to be accurate.
Have you try ready reading and studying the bible? Which verses are you skeptical about? I encourage you to resolve it. It can be done! Guidance is definitely needed.
You may wish to read the following website:
http://www.allaboutgod.com/faq/faq-main.htm
If you have not done so, I encourage you to start now. -
ah.. throughout centuries, people are trying to find the Ark, just like people are waiting for the end of the world..Originally posted by jnwk:earthlings73,
Have you watched the film?
Oh, you want the photographs and video? Yes, they do have it. You want to prove if they are for real, well, they found the location of the ark just last year. Wait for them to prove more lo. Time will tell everything!
"However, the General Director Men-fei Yun said that the documentary did not aim to prove the authenticity of their discovery, but focused on guiding people to see God and His judgement through the Flood."
I don't think as a christians themselves, they want to lie. Worse till, lie to the whole world by showing false photographs and videos, tainting the name of Jesus Christ!
Nevertheless, their showing of the documentary film over many countries shows that their story is credible.
Anyway, earthlings73, keep in view this, ok?
Time will tell everything. throughout centuries, there are many claims of the Ark being found and all found to be unreal..
if they managed to find it in Ararat, these 2000 years will be worth a wait..
but then, if they can have undeniable facts.. shouldn't they get their biggest nemesis to certify it? Just like when the catholic priest challenged Einstein with the Big Bang Theory.. Yah, the Big Bang Theory was proposed first by a Catholic Priest.. -
What makes you think that the claims are untrue. The world says that it is not found and you believe? Didn't the world say that the earth was square in the past?!Originally posted by earthlings73:ah.. throughout centuries, people are trying to find the Ark, just like people are waiting for the end of the world.. throughout centuries, there are many claims of the Ark being found and all found to be unreal..
if they managed to find it in Ararat, these 2000 years will be worth a wait..
but then, if they can have undeniable facts.. shouldn't they get their biggest nemesis to certify it? Just like when the catholic priest challenged Einstein with the Big Bang Theory.. Yah, the Big Bang Theory was proposed first by a Catholic Priest..
You know that this thing are rather sensitive stuffs and the authory do not want to cause a religious upheaval. Who do you think qualify for the nemesis? Obviously there are many people who opposes christianity and they are trying ways to deny God. The people who can tesify they have found. The next thing is, do you believe them?
I do not know about the history of Big Bang Theory. So I can't say how much genuiene your facts are.
Okay, I gonna go liao. Will reply tmr or on Thurs.
Good nite dude.