Do you Pray to Angels?
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strawman again .. enuff said
strawman : The straw-man rhetorical technique is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer.
If using an official definition of the trinity is offering "weaker" arguments, and u insitently refuse to shows us your idea of trinity, then it just tell everyone how valid your "strawman" arguments r. -
what are Angels anyway ?
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
Strawman again. Wah leow .. even your argument about your argument is strawman ..
If using an official definition of the trinity is offering "weaker" arguments, and u insitently refuse to shows us your idea of trinity, then it just tell everyone how valid your "strawman" arguments r.
When did you ever use the official definition of trinity, you tell me? -
you know .. like charlie's angels?Originally posted by losers.inc:what are Angels anyway ? -
Angel, by David Tao is nice!Originally posted by Icemoon:you know .. like charlie's angels?
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i prefer 'liu sha'Originally posted by laurence82:Angel, by David Tao is nice! -
x2Originally posted by ben1xy:i prefer 'liu sha' -
I gto another website tat defines wat is strawman.
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:
Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
Basically is really meant tat if I give a strawman, I present position Y which is not wat u stand for int he first place. In the website it even give off certain examples
Bill and Jill are arguing about cleaning out their closets:
Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"
Jill: "I never said anything about cleaning them out every day. You just want too keep all your junk forever, which is just ridiculous."
In tis thread, u refuse to present your definition of trinity. I find a reputable website tat explain wat is the trinity and then u claim it is not the official definition. If the definition made by a reputable website u claim is a strawman, then wat is your real position on the issue ? U don't even dare to state your real position and them blame others for finding legitimate position taken by christian. U r just really finding excuses to delay the process only. -
this is now becoming a debate on the exact meaniong of strawman
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Wait .. dun judge too fast. You never really quoted the exact definition from that website.Originally posted by stupidissmart:In tis thread, u refuse to present your definition of trinity. I find a reputable website tat explain wat is the trinity and then u claim it is not the official definition. If the definition made by a reputable website u claim is a strawman, then wat is your real position on the issue ? U don't even dare to state your real position and them blame others for finding legitimate position taken by christian. U r just really finding excuses to delay the process only.
Dont believe you paste the website's definition and your definition (which you paraphrase 'cos it was not the same) here.
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i have no problems with the definition he quoted about strawman. The really issue is he is guilty of the fallacy and yet he still dunno ..Originally posted by ben1xy:this is now becoming a debate on the exact meaniong of strawman -
Oops....Have I accidentally started a controversy?
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that u have.....Originally posted by shade343:Oops....Have I accidentally started a controversy?
from Angels to strawman and now the Holy Trinity -
Hmm...such answers...interestingOriginally posted by ben1xy:that u have.....
from Angels to strawman and now the Holy Trinity
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Wait .. dun judge too fast. You never really quoted the exact definition from that website.
I have already quoted the definition from tat website
Dont believe you paste the website's definition and your definition (which you paraphrase 'cos it was not the same) here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
The Trinity is God, according to the teaching of the churches which represent the majority of Christians. According to this doctrine, God is a single being existing simultaneously as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit.
http://www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm
The Christian doctrine that there is only one God in existence and that He consists of three separate and ontologically divine persons.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/tran_imm.htm
belief in three persons within a single deity; a version of monotheism
http://www.scu.edu/pm/resources/theoglossary/print.html
God in three persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
From all thse definition, u can really see tat they treat 3 distinct beings as a single being, which is logically flawed.
All i can see is u trying to aviod to define trinity yet blast down any definition from reputable websites on trinity without giving any valid reasons nor explanations. It really make me wonder why r u so scared to give the definition for trinity. U have no faith in the trinity to even dare to define it ?