Do you Pray to Angels?
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Since angels are Celestial Beings, do christian also pray to them?
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I believe everyone has a guardian angel watching over them.
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Col 2:16 "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
There was a heretical problem in Colosse that arose being taught by the legalists Judaizers and errorists called the Gnostics.
The Judaiizers taught that salvation is not complete in Christs, in order to be complete one must follow certain Jewish practices and regulations like eating only certain kinds of food, drinking only certain kinds of drink and respecting certain days v. 16
But these things were only symbols, representations and shadows of Christ. Like for instance the 'Sabbath' day, these day is typological of the rest that Christ would give to everyone who will believe/trusts in Him, now that Christ has come these are already gone,
v.17 these are mere shadows pointing to Christ, Christ is the substance.
Another heretical group are the Gnostics, they claim to have all these esoteric knowledge which the Christians do not have. One likely teachings of the gnostics is that God must be approached to the mediation of angels [a belief common in RC today], so one must pray to the angels for intercession.
In verse 18, the word "worship" actually means having beliefs and practices toward supernatural powers, in this case angels. And prayer certainly fits that category. Paul says do not do these things. these may outwardly look humble but no these things [the things taught by the Judaizers and gnostics v. 16, 18] are actually pride.
It is just saying that I can be spiritually mature without Christ Jesus the head. Read it again and take note of the last verse, verse 19, our growth is not in these false teachings but in Christ.
16 Therefore, do not let any one judge you in food or in drink, or in respect of feast, or a new moon, or of sabbaths:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no one condemn you in willing humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from whom all the body nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, increases to the increase from God.
Praying to angels is strictly forbidden and sinful, it is tantamount to worshipping them. -
Originally posted by Ironside:
well said! and I agree.
Col 2:16 "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
18 [b]Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
There was a heretical problem in Colosse that arose being taught by the legalists Judaizers and errorists called the Gnostics.
The Judaiizers taught that salvation is not complete in Christs, in order to be complete one must follow certain Jewish practices and regulations like eating only certain kinds of food, drinking only certain kinds of drink and respecting certain days v. 16
But these things were only symbols, representations and shadows of Christ. Like for instance the 'Sabbath' day, these day is typological of the rest that Christ would give to everyone who will believe/trusts in Him, now that Christ has come these are already gone,
v.17 these are mere shadows pointing to Christ, Christ is the substance.
Another heretical group are the Gnostics, they claim to have all these esoteric knowledge which the Christians do not have. One likely teachings of the gnostics is that God must be approached to the mediation of angels [a belief common in RC today], so one must pray to the angels for intercession.
In verse 18, the word "worship" actually means having beliefs and practices toward supernatural powers, in this case angels. And prayer certainly fits that category. Paul says do not do these things. these may outwardly look humble but no these things [the things taught by the Judaizers and gnostics v. 16, 18] are actually pride.
It is just saying that I can be spiritually mature without Christ Jesus the head. Read it again and take note of the last verse, verse 19, our growth is not in these false teachings but in Christ.
16 Therefore, do not let any one judge you in food or in drink, or in respect of feast, or a new moon, or of sabbaths:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no one condemn you in willing humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from whom all the body nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, increases to the increase from God.
Praying to angels is strictly forbidden and sinful, it is tantamount to worshipping them.
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But the phrase does not mention that it is WRONG to pray to angels. It is just against those who pray to angels and does not believe in jesus and think they know alot.
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Exodus 34:14 (New King James Version)
14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),
Nehemiah 9:6 (New King James Version)
6 You alone are the LORD;
You have made heaven,
The heaven of heavens, with all their host,
The earth and everything on it,
The seas and all that is in them,
And You preserve them all.
The host of heaven worships You.
Matthew 4:10 (New King James Version)
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you,[a] Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”[
If the host of heaven worships the LORD, why then should we worship the host of heaven? Praying is seen as a form of worship and it is said that we shall worship no other god or idol (which are angels). -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Exodus 34:14 (New King James Version)
14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),
1)Only applies to the people at that time who had were confused and worshipped the devils. Does not apply now.
Matthew 4:10 (New King James Version)
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you,[a] Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”[
He simply means do not worship the devil. -
No,for if i did,i would have been praying to cupid by now and probaly a rs..
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shade343, can differentiate your reply from kangaroo's? cos all in bold very hard to tell .. thanks.
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Exodus 34:14 (New King James Version)
14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),
1)Only applies to the people at that time who had were confused and worshipped the devils. Does not apply now.
As Christians, we only worship the LORD and no other be it then or now... it is a commandment.
DEUTERONOMY 4:15-19
15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, 16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female, 17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water beneath the earth. 19 And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage.
DEUTERONOMY 8:19-20
19 Then it shall be, if you by any means forget the LORD your God, and follow other gods, and serve them and worship them, I testify against you this day that you shall surely perish. 20 As the nations which the LORD destroys before you, so you shall perish, because you would not be obedient to the voice of the LORD your God.
Matthew 4:10 (New King James Version)
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you,[a] Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”[
He simply means do not worship the devil. Nor any other idol. Because if you pray to angels, you are worshipping them... and the verse clearly says YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD... AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE, which means serve GOD ONLY... not angels -
I pray to Doraemon cos he got a pouch for everything n anytime
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1 Corinthians 6 :3
3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels?
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Hebrews 1
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son Exalted Above Angels
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“ I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“ Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:
“ Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But to the Son He says:
“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:
“ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:
“ Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation? (ie us...as Christians as we are the heirs of salvation)
If we as Christians are to judge the angels, then why should we pray to them because being co heirs with Christ, we reign and rule... so why should a prince of the kingdom pray to a servant? Do you pray to your maid? Similar analogy.
Angels are here to minister to us and are God's messengers, they do not have the power to change anything except when directed by God to do so. -
Indeed that they are the messengers of God. But can they not pray for us? Since God has appointed them to look over our well-being.
Angels are here to minister to us and are God's messengers, they do not have the power to change anything except when directed by God to do so.
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[/i]Originally posted by breytonhartge:Exodus 34:14 (New King James Version)
14 (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),
1)Only applies to the people at that time who had were confused and worshipped the devils. Does not apply now.
As Christians, we only worship the LORD and no other be it then or now... it is a commandment.
Not true. Chrisitians should learn how to discern the deeper meaning of the commandments. From my point of view, such a commandment was necessary to prevent the people then from worshipping false gods.
DEUTERONOMY 4:15-19
15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, 16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female, 17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water beneath the earth. 19 And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the LORD your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage.
DEUTERONOMY 8:19-20
19 Then it shall be, if you by any means forget the LORD your God, and follow other gods, and serve them and worship them, I testify against you this day that you shall surely perish. 20 As the nations which the LORD destroys before you, so you shall perish, because you would not be obedient to the voice of the LORD your God.
Matthew 4:10 (New King James Version)
10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you,[a] Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”[
He simply means do not worship the devil. Nor any other idol. Because if you pray to angels, you are worshipping them... and the verse clearly says YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD... AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE, which means serve GOD ONLY... not angels
When you pray to angels, you are not serving them. See the reasoning I gave above. Angels are celestial beings created by The Father. -
why pray to the messenger when as children of the Living GOD, we have direct access to the Father and to Christ who sits at His right hand... ? Christ has direct access to GOD where as sometimes angels have to contend with the principalities of this world.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Indeed that they are the messengers of God. But can they not pray for us? Since God has appointed them to look over our well-being.
You pray to GOD... you go to HIM direct. you can talk to angels which is different from praying to them.
Like I mentioned, praying to angels is like praying to your servant. -
originally posted by shade343
When you pray to angels, you are not serving them. See the reasoning I gave above. Angels are celestial beings created by The Father.
but you miss the point, praying is a form of worship and therefore when we pray to angels, we are worshipping them. We are to worship GOD only.
You say rightly, angels are celestial beings created by the Father TO SERVE US, so I ask the question again, why pray to angels when we are to judge them and they are our servants?
Is it not better to pray to JESUS who sits at the right hand of GOD? Who intercedes for us already? If GOD Himself intercedes for us, why do we need to pray to beings lesser than us?
ROMANS 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. -
Yeah, that's what we do wad. Talk to them and ask them to pray for us lah.Originally posted by breytonhartge:You pray to GOD... you go to HIM direct. you can talk to angels which is different from praying to them.
And there should be no doubt that one is only allowed to worship God. -
to which I agree with you... but, why talk to them when we can talk to GOD and JESUS direct?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Yeah, that's what we do wad. Talk to them and ask them to pray for us lah.
And there should be no doubt that one is only allowed to worship God.
but the question posted is whether we as christians pray to angels.. which we cannot do. -
Prayer is merely communing. The thing is angels are celestial beings. There is nothing wrong to pray to them. Same thing. Jesus is a celestial Being. So you pray to him. And by praying to them, arent you praying to god as well?Originally posted by breytonhartge:originally posted by shade343
but you miss the point, praying is a form of worship and therefore when we pray to angels, we are worshipping them. We are to worship GOD only.
You say rightly, angels are celestial beings created by the Father TO SERVE US, so I ask the question again, why pray to angels when we are to judge them and they are our servants?
Is it not better to pray to JESUS who sits at the right hand of GOD? Who intercedes for us already? If GOD Himself intercedes for us, why do we need to pray to beings lesser than us?
ROMANS 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Then why talk to jesus when you can talk to God Direct?
to which I agree with you... but, why talk to them when we can talk to GOD and JESUS direct?
but the question posted is whether we as christians [b]pray to angels.. which we cannot do. [/b] -
because JESUS and the FATHER ARE ONE. SO same thing. but angels are not one with the FATHER.Originally posted by shade343:Then why talk to jesus when you can talk to God Direct?
John 17:20-22
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: -
Prayer is a form of worship. No prayer is not merely communig... talking is also communing... so when you talk to your dog, you are praying to him? communing and prayer are different... you can talk to or ask angels questions... you have to be very careful when talking to angels, there are good angels and bad angels which are devils... they are the impostors so by praying to angels you cannot really be sure who you are praying to. Do you want to inadvertently pray to a devil? and by my extrapolation, worship a devil? I would not want to. But when you pray to Jesus/God, you are praying to the creator of the universe.Originally posted by shade343:Prayer is merely communing. The thing is angels are celestial beings. There is nothing wrong to pray to them. Same thing. Jesus is a celestial Being. So you pray to him. And by praying to them, arent you praying to god as well?
JESUS is not a celestial being, HE is the son of GOD and is GOD. Please do not make this mistake. Did you not see my posts, JESUS is higher than angels. He was before the angels were. He made them. -
Prayer is a form of worship. No prayer is not merely communig... talking is also communing... so when you talk to your dog, you are praying to him? communing and prayer are different... you can talk to or ask angels questions... you have to be very careful when talking to angels, there are good angels and bad angels which are devils... they are the impostors so by praying to angels you cannot really be sure who you are praying to. Do you inadvertently want to pray to and by extrapolation worship a devil? I would not want to. I want to be sure that I am praying directly to GOD. But when you pray to Jesus/God, you are praying to the creator of the universe.Originally posted by shade343:Prayer is merely communing. The thing is angels are celestial beings. There is nothing wrong to pray to them. Same thing. Jesus is a celestial Being. So you pray to him. And by praying to them, arent you praying to god as well?
JESUS is not a celestial being, HE is the son of GOD and is GOD. Please do not make this mistake. Did you not see my posts, JESUS is higher than angels. He was before the angels were. He made them. -
No. They are not. If tahts the case, why is there a need to call jesus the son? They are not the same thing. But they WORK TOGETHER AS ONE. In fact the phrase you just quoted just affirmed my thinking that everybody is part of god. We are part of God. Angels, as celestial beings, are part of God as well.Originally posted by breytonhartge:because JESUS and the FATHER ARE ONE. SO same thing. but angels are not one with the FATHER.
John 17:20-22
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Prayer may be communing, but communing may not be prayer. God is God who is The Father. Jesus is the son. So he is part of God. Jesus is not=Father
Prayer is a form of worship. No prayer is not merely communig... talking is also communing... so when you talk to your dog, you are praying to him? communing and prayer are different... you can talk to or ask angels questions... you have to be very careful to angels, there are good angels and bad angels which are devils... they are the impostors so by praying to angels you cannot really be sure who you are praying to. But when you pray to Jesus/God, you are praying to the creator of the universe.
[b]JESUS is not a celestial being, HE is the son of GOD and is GOD. Please do not make this mistake. Did you not see my posts, JESUS is higher than angels. He was before the angels were. He made them. [/b]
I dont think jesus created the angels. More like The Father created them.