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We don't condemn people to hell and damnation. God does the job. We say biblically that those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will have eternal life. [God has predestinated that those who placed their faith in Jesus Christ will enter His kingdom.] Of course, there will be some who will use the "given authority" to condemn people. Who are we to condemn people to hell, right? We are to be judged afterall. Do you think all who believe in Christ will be in heaven? I afraid I have to say no. God judges our heart. The bible is clear that not all who "perform deeds" in His name will enter the kingdom of heaven. Sometimes, I even worry that He will say this to me at that time.Originally posted by laurence82:not forgetting the part u condemn people to hell and damnation, elevate urself a a good candidate for heaven, then deny, then ignore the facts, then justify it...
i had hard time finding a pail large enuff to barf in....
So, all in all, when we justify, we justify biblically. I understand that there are some verses or theology or teachings in the bible which is hard to accept and reconcile with our logic thinking. Initially I have a hard time to digest and reconcile certain verses, theology and teachings too. But I search with all my heart to understand what God wants from us. As I slowly, finally understand what Christianity is all about, I find that I can slowly understand the meaning of certain verses, theology and teachings. It really takes me quite some time to take a closer step to understand God. It is tough really. Because the bible told us that God uses the foolish things in the world for His plan. That is why the Gospel seems to be foolish to many people.
Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29)
I do not know why God wants to do it that way, but He told us in the bible that His way is higher that our way. -
Why u use 'we' when i was refering to one person?Originally posted by jnwk:We don't condemn people to hell and damnation. God does the job. We say biblically that those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will have eternal life. [God has predestinated that those who placed their faith in Jesus Christ will enter His kingdom.] Of course, there will be some who will use the "given authority" to condemn people. Who are we to condemn people to hell, right? We are to be judged afterall. Do you think all who believe in Christ will be in heaven? I afraid I have to say no. God judges our heart. The bible is clear that not all who "perform deeds" in His name will enter the kingdom of heaven. Sometimes, I even worry that He will say this to me at that time.
So, all in all, when we justify, we justify biblically. I understand that there are some verses or theology or teachings in the bible which is hard to accept and reconcile with our logic thinking. Initially I have a hard time to digest and reconcile certain verses, theology and teachings too. But I search with all my heart to understand what God wants from us. As I slowly, finally understand what Christianity is all about, I find that I can slowly understand the meaning of certain verses, theology and teachings. It really takes me quite some time to take a closer step to understand God. It is tough really. Because the bible told us that God uses the foolish things in the world for His plan. That is why the Gospel seems to be foolish to many people.
Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. (1 Corinthians 1:26-29)
I do not know why God wants to do it that way, but He told us in the bible that His way is higher that our way.
As u said, god have the right to damn people, i admit that, but now we are talking abt a human who thinks he have the right to do that. Get my point? -
Thank you laurence82 for pointing to me the word you. I thought when you use you, you are refering to Christian, in general. So, in this case, ya, then I am wrong. So you must have refered to some other forumer. I did not read the whole posts, cos too many.Originally posted by laurence82:Why u use 'we' when i was refering to one person?
As u said, god have the right to damn people, i admit that, but now we are talking abt a human who thinks he have the right to do that. Get my point?
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God is sovereign; powerful and in control.
There's many things that we can't use our own limited wisdom to explain.
"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end." Ecclesiastes 3:11 -
Now you know it's not about you or christians. But to some 'christians'Originally posted by jnwk:Thank you laurence82 for pointing to me the word you. I thought when you use you, you are refering to Christian, in general. So, in this case, ya, then I am wrong. So you must have refered to some other forumer. I did not read the whole posts, cos too many.
Thanks for correcting that error though.
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Originally posted by laurence82:which i hope wil be the attitude of forumers discussing the faith here. but....sigh... I feel it.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:you never know, ... i actually went through all that you and laurence are going through right now, with the hating christians etc... but then you have to take your own journey. Take care. Hope you are doing well. Cheers.
Those words were the exact stuff which went out of my lips seven years ago!!!
Wah. Still using it ah.
Good to be zealous la. -
MC, are you a Christian? If not, state your belief can?
