Church is built onto Peter? Matthew 16:18-19

• theoronin

  16 Aug 05, 11:17

  The argument that Jesus Christ spoke only in Aramaic and that the New Testament is written in Aramaic is unproven.
  
  This line of reasoning absolutely ignore the power of God in preserving His words when He divinely inspired the authors in penning the New Testament. Let's assume that the New Testament is originally written in Aramaic and it is translated into Greek. However, during the translation process, the meaning of the words changed. Because the Greek translation differ in meaning from the Aramaic originals and the Aramaic originals are lost, that would imply that the Word of God is corrupted. We could not wholly rely in the Scriptures "for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:17)
  
  God is perfectly capable of preserving His Word. For it is written: "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. " (Matthew 5:18 )
  
  It is also written: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." (Revelations 22:18-19)
  
  
• M©+square

  16 Aug 05, 14:35

  Originally posted by theoronin:

  The argument that Jesus Christ spoke only in Aramaic and that the New Testament is written in Aramaic is unproven.
  
  This line of reasoning absolutely ignore the power of God in preserving His words when He divinely inspired the authors in penning the New Testament. Let's assume that the New Testament is originally written in Aramaic and it is translated into Greek. However, during the translation process, the meaning of the words changed. Because the Greek translation differ in meaning from the Aramaic originals and the Aramaic originals are lost, that would imply that the Word of God is corrupted. We could not wholly rely in the Scriptures "for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:17)
  
  God is perfectly capable of preserving His Word. For it is written: "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. " (Matthew 5:18 )
  
  It is also written: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." (Revelations 22:18-19)
  
  

  Precisely!
  
  We are debating against history and politics and unproven claims.
  
  Cheers
• Honeybunz

  16 Aug 05, 14:55

  http://www.bible.com/answers/afacts.html
  does mention the languages used.
  
  I read from somewhere long ago that Gospel of St Luke was written in Greek cuz he's a Greek speaking gentile. The rest I can't remember.
• Icemoon

  16 Aug 05, 15:20

  wah leow .. you all confusing me liao .. when was the NT written in Aramaic? I thought it was in koine Greek?
  
  Tot part of OT then written in Aramaic.
• Honeybunz

  16 Aug 05, 21:12

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Tot part of OT then written in Aramaic.

  Eh? Not the whole OT written in Hebrew meh?
• FrustMom

  16 Aug 05, 21:33

  Fast Facts about the Old Testament
  

  1. The OT is almost identical to the Jewish Tanakh
  2. The OT was originally written in Hebrew
  3. The OT has 39 books (not counting the Apocrypha)
  4. The names of OT books in Hebrew are based on the first prominent word or phrase in that book
  5. The names of OT books in Greek (and English) are based on the general topic of the book
  6. The books of the OT are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 & 2 Samuel, 1 & 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi.
  7. The first five books of the OT (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) are known as the Five Books of Moses, the Pentateuch, or the Torah. They are traditionally held to have been written by Moses, but modern scholars have proposed that there were four or five authors.
  8. The book of Esther is the only book of the Bible that never mentions God

  
  
• FrustMom

  16 Aug 05, 21:35

  About NT:
  
  

  1. The NT was originally written in Greek
  2. The writers of the NT used a Greek translation of the OT known as the Septuagint
  3. The NT has 27 books
  4. The NT is about the same size as the Qur'an
  5. The books of the NT are: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1, 2 & 3 John, Jude, Revelation
• Icemoon

  16 Aug 05, 21:42

  Originally posted by Honeybunz:

  Eh? Not the whole OT written in Hebrew meh?

  nope. who told you one?
  
  Parts of the OT written in Aramaic, I think some parts of Daniel were written in Aramaic.
• Icemoon

  16 Aug 05, 21:47

  Originally posted by FrustMom:
  Fast Facts about the Old Testament
  2. The OT was originally written in Hebrew
  4. The names of OT books in [b]Hebrew are based on the first prominent word or phrase in that book [/b]

  2. Parts of it written in Aramaic.
  4. This is misleading. Only the Torah is named that way.
• Icemoon

  16 Aug 05, 21:49

  Comparison between Jewish Tanakh and Protestant OT:
  
  TaNaKh
  (Hebrew Bible)
  
  1. Genesis
  2. Exodus
  3. Leviticus
  4. Numbers
  5. Deuteronomy
  6. Joshua
  7. Judges
  8. Samuel
  9. Kings
  10. Isaiah
  11. Jeremiah
  12. Ezekial
  13. Hosea
  14. Joel
  15. Amos
  16. Obadiah
  17. Jonah
  18. Micah
  19. Nahum
  20. Habakkuk
  21. Zephaniah
  22. Haggai
  23. Zecariah
  24. Malachi
  25. Psalms
  26. Proverbs
  27. Job
  28. Song of Solomon
  29. Ruth
  30. Lamentations
  31. Ecclesiastes
  32. Esther
  33. Daniel
  34. Ezra-Nehemiah
  35. Chronicles
  
  Old Testament
  (Protestant)
  
  1. Genesis
  2. Exodus
  3. Leviticus
  4. Numbers
  5. Deuteronomy
  6. Joshua
  7. Judges
  8. Ruth
  9. 1 Samuel
  10. 2 Samuel
  11. 1 Kings
  12. 2 Kings
  13. 1 Chronicles
  14. 2 Chronicles
  15. Ezra
  16. Nehemiah
  17. Esther
  18. Job
  19. Psalms
  20. Proverbs
  21. Ecclesiastes
  22. Song of Solomon
  23. Isaiah
  24. Jeremiah
  25. Lamentations
  26. Ezekiel
  27. Daniel
  28. Hosea
  29. Joel
  30. Amos
  31. Obadiah
  32. Jonah
  33. Micah
  34. Nahum
  35. Habakkuk
  36. Zephaniah
  37. Haggai
  38. Zecariah
  39. Malachi
  
  The Hebrew Bible and Protestant Old Testament have the same books arranged in a different order. Additionally, books that Christians divide into two parts (Kings, Chronicles, Samuel, and Ezra-Nehemiah) are only one book in the Hebrew Bible.
• Honeybunz

  16 Aug 05, 22:34

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  nope. who told you one?
  
  Parts of the OT written in Aramaic, I think some parts of Daniel were written in Aramaic.

  Nobody told me lah. Just that I thought OT time, Jews were using Hebrew. I might be wrong
• Icemoon

  16 Aug 05, 23:45

  Originally posted by Honeybunz:

  Nobody told me lah. Just that I thought OT time, Jews were using Hebrew. I might be wrong

  cos the OT was written across hundred of years .. and those written last (I mentioned Daniel?) some were written in Aramaic.
• M©+square

  16 Aug 05, 23:52

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  cos the OT was written across hundred of years .. and those written last (I mentioned Daniel?) some were written in Aramaic.

  Topic drifted?
  
  So anyone verified 16:18,19 is written in Greek or Aramic?
  Did St Matthew make a mistake or we did?
  
  Cheers