Interesting talk btw Athiest Prof & Christian Student
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just look at the thread title on this thread..Originally posted by Icemoon:but then the bible does make a stand in issues like homosexuals and atheism. if it is like what SIS proclaims - the bible is wrong - then it follows that their correct interpretation will be wrong too.
isnt this one of the easiest way to draw flames? 
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with age comes maturity i guess..Originally posted by Chin Eng:You are quite right here..... however, we need to define what bashing means.
Obviously, any religion and organisations will have agendas and stands contrary to other popular beliefs. It is quite natural for a proponent of such stands to voice their concerns, and if it is done within the confines of a predetermined parameter, ie one within a forum created for these proponents, then I suppose it should be tolerated. The folks at the other religious and philosophical forums within SGforums, too have their slant over what they'd considered as their stands. It would be extremely rude and also wrong for Christians to go into these forums and bash their philosophies. It should be understood that EH remains predominantly a Christian forum and would be natural to assume that topics posted will be in accordance with the general Christian doctrine, which may include speaking out, for example, against homosexuals. Then there are some of us who are young in the faith and are still extreme zealous to declare what we believe in - these, I sometimes address at a personal level, encouraging them to moderate a little. What should not be done is for any thread to evolve to a flame war. Both Christians and non-Christians are responsible in preventing this from happening. For example, as what you'd stated, EH is actually being used, sometimes, "to help Christians to understand the Bible to perform good". But for some unknown reason, it will eventually evolved into: "the Bible is a lie, Jesus did not die for your sins, blah blah blah" When that happens, can we expect less from an adverse reaction from some of us who are a little more zealous in defending what we believe in. Note that I am not giving such Christians with such reactions an excuse in any way.... .... which leads me to state that I have tried very hard to avoid confrontation because it is pointless. I'd used EH to answer any queries I possibly can, sometimes using PMs. I'd still see myself being able to defend the faith in a less confrontational stance to people who are willing to have an open mind. Anyone else who has already formed an opinion of Christian - these I'd just stay on the level of casual communication.
had a conversation with my partner last night.. i uttered this out: "those who claimed that they are always right is DEFINITELY wrong".. -
Recently dont have Christians bashing non believers leh
Like in another thread the other day, i said wu feng bu qi lang
Whatever isnt a issue already, why need to mention it? -
Agree!Originally posted by laurence82:Recently dont have Christians bashing non believers leh
Like in another thread the other day, i said wu feng bu qi lang
Whatever isnt a issue already, why need to mention it? -
there is a practice in my family, instituted by me to my children: their dad is not always right, when their dad is wrong, please tell him gently....Originally posted by earthlings73:with age comes maturity i guess..
had a conversation with my partner last night.. i uttered this out: "those who claimed that they are always right is DEFINITELY wrong"..
Nobody is always right. When proven wrong, accept it and continue with life.
laurence is right.... incidents of bashing has decreased substantially. Good for all..... Peace to all...... -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Great to hear that.
there is a practice in my family, instituted by me to my children: their dad is [b]not always right, when their dad is wrong, please tell him gently....
Nobody is always right. When proven wrong, accept it and continue with life.
laurence is right.... incidents of bashing has decreased substantially. Good for all..... Peace to all......
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Pretty new here in this forum.. The other forum i'm more accustomed to has tonnes of limitations (or moderation).. so this in fact the first time i saw cross fires between people with different theological beliefs.. -
mods also rarely come in mahOriginally posted by earthlings73:Great to hear that.
Pretty new here in this forum.. The other forum i'm more accustomed to has tonnes of limitations (or moderation).. so this in fact the first time i saw cross fires between people with different theological beliefs.. -
the forums i visited is the SAF/MINDEF (reside in mindef intranet) one.. ha.. highly notorious for moderators' censorship..Originally posted by laurence82:mods also rarely come in mah -
Why when there are cases of bashing, u deny it the other timeOriginally posted by Honeybunz:Agree!
Now, dont have, then u readily agree.
Btw, i shld have mention it, ur topic is a flame bait, considering its a cleverly written dialogue to bash atheists specifically.
Do reply to what bunta and the rest have posted. -
Read my post aboveOriginally posted by F Bunta:Then what is this topic doing?
Anyway, its worse last time....dont want to talk abt it...... -
The conversation is bashing atheists meh?Originally posted by laurence82:Why when there are cases of bashing, u deny it the other time
Now, dont have, then u readily agree.
Btw, i shld have mention it, ur topic is a flame bait, considering its a cleverly written dialogue to bash atheists specifically.
Do reply to what bunta and the rest have posted. -
Duh!Originally posted by Honeybunz:The conversation is bashing atheists meh? 
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Really? Thats strange. Some of my christian friends were the ones who directed me to this passage:Originally posted by Icemoon:but then the bible does make a stand in issues like homosexuals and atheism. if it is like what SIS proclaims - the bible is wrong - then it follows that their correct interpretation will be wrong too.
"Give thought to the work of God. Who will make straight what he has made bent?"
-Ecclesiastes 7:13
So I have many Christians telling me that the bible states that homosexuality is God-made, and some of u say otherwise, so which christian to believe huh? -
where was it said homosexuality is God-made?Originally posted by HENG@:So I have many Christians telling me that the bible states that homosexuality is God-made, and some of u say otherwise, so which christian to believe huh? -
where was it said homosexuality is God-made?Originally posted by HENG@:So I have many Christians telling me that the bible states that homosexuality is God-made, and some of u say otherwise, so which christian to believe huh? -
it is more about apologetics than bashing atheists. read carefully .. the student in the example is pointing out the basis of her faith.Originally posted by laurence82:Duh! -
they quoted me this passage of course. Do u think I would have found it on my own?Originally posted by Icemoon:where was it said homosexuality is God-made?
"Give thought to the work of God. Who will make straight what he has made bent?"
-Ecclesiastes 7:13
And they said there are mentions in other parts of the bible in Deuteronomy or somewhere. In fact they ask u if you aren't the ones taking it out of context for those passages u quoted as support that homosexuality is a sin. -
it is to show the irrationality of believing otherwise.Originally posted by F Bunta:The point is why should you attempt to make a fool of atheists in the story?
too bad the student's argument was not very sound, and hence she made a fool of herself. -
The professor is being made a fool in front of the class.. in a sense you can see that the professor is the atheistOriginally posted by F Bunta:The point is why should you attempt to make a fool of atheists in the story?
In a way, the passage mocks the atheist for trying to explain the Bible using science.. then cleverly disguises this by having the student explaining about faith in an attempt to mollify the reader
Of course in the end up to individual perception la.. and BTW the passage above is not the original full one -
The christian faith is exclusive and monotheistic religions have no rooms for other gods.Originally posted by F Bunta:It's always sound to further one's belief through studying the scriptures and improving one's understanding. Making others' belief seem less true does not make your belief more true.
And many of you miss the point of this story. Can't you all see it was the professor who challenged the student first?
That's why I see it more as an apologetics than a bashing. -
how do we understand the "he has made bent" here? Does it mean God purposely screw things up?Originally posted by HENG@:"Give thought to the work of God. Who will make straight what he has made bent?"
-Ecclesiastes 7:13
If "bent" is understood as a blemish, something not good, then why would God proclaim "it was very good" at the end of every creation day?And they said there are mentions in other parts of the bible in Deuteronomy or somewhere. In fact they ask u if you aren't the ones taking it out of context for those passages u quoted as support that homosexuality is a sin.
We have some clues from God's creation of Adam and Eve. Sex was supposedly for males and females. And God's commandment was "be fruitful and multiply".
I suppose God wouldnt be too pleased if we deviate from His plans .. hehe -
True and the student replied with equal force if not more so then the professor..Originally posted by Icemoon:The christian faith is exclusive and monotheistic religions have no rooms for other gods.
And many of you miss the point of this story. Can't you all see it was the professor who challenged the student first?
That's why I see it more as an apologetics than a bashing.
You know what I think? I believe that the passage serves no purpose other than flame bait... the passage is witty I am sure but its also humiliating to an extent to the professor who "represents" atheist
As for apologetics, I believe that can be done without retaliation to the professor... sure sure theres the humour side.. but honey to some maybe poison to others...
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"how do we understand the "he has made bent" here? Does it mean God purposely screw things up?"Originally posted by Icemoon:We have some clues from God's creation of Adam and Eve. Sex was supposedly for males and females. And God's commandment was "be fruitful and multiply".
I suppose God wouldnt be too pleased if we deviate from His plans .. hehe
wot makes u think that making something bent is to screw things up? Might u want to consider that he has a plan for the bent in his grand scheme of things as well? who are u to come out and say that god defo has no plans for them?
besides, he also praised and promised the eunuchs of somewhere a special place by him in heaven or something. eunuches can't "go forth and multiply" can they? -
no i think YOU are missing the point here. the point here is that no such professor existed and no such student existed and hence the professor didn't challenge the student 1st because he couldn't have. He didn't exist. The point u missed is that the person who wrote this piece is undoubtedly christian, biased from a xtian P.O.V. hence it IS a christian who is doing the challenging 1st, and then a Xtian doing the challenging 2nd by starting a topic about this.Originally posted by Icemoon:The christian faith is exclusive and monotheistic religions have no rooms for other gods.
And many of you miss the point of this story. Can't you all see it was the professor who challenged the student first?
That's why I see it more as an apologetics than a bashing.
perhaps u would like to open your eyes a bit more in future b4 u start talking about others missing a point here. -
well, if this happened in real life, then shame on the professor. After all, if you want to challenge people, then prepared to be challenged back, with equal or more ferocity.
the problem I see here is such a scenario shouldn't happen in real life. The original author purposely made the professor look "dumb", hence the passage tastes like a flame bait.