If there have been no reformation....
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what would the church of today be like? what is ur take?
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.. there probably wun be CHC and other mega-entertainment churches.
The gospel wun be so attractive if not for the "cheap" grace. -
my take: the bible would not have been translated into so many languages...
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The RCs are not active in evangelical missions?
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who says? they have got so many missions...Originally posted by Icemoon:The RCs are not active in evangelical missions? -
then why would the bible not get translated into the native languages?
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i am not sure...all i know it was in one language only: LatinOriginally posted by Icemoon:then why would the bible not get translated into the native languages?
At that time, the church has the final say in the intepretation of GOD's word.
When the reformation starts, different translations start popping out, which is a good thing for the lay men.
bad thing when pple start to have different intepretations as the bible is available to all...
ironical isn't it? think some form of control is still needed afterall... -
I personally believe this process have to happen.Originally posted by laoda99:i am not sure...all i know it was in one language only: Latin
At that time, the church has the final say in the intepretation of GOD's word.
When the reformation starts, different translations start popping out, which is a good thing for the lay men.
bad thing when pple start to have different intepretations as the bible is available to all...
It is the will of God/plan of God.
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but our GOD is a GOD of order, not confusion...what says u....Originally posted by M©+square:I personally believe this process have to happen.
It is the will of God/plan of God.
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From Genesis to Revelation in the bible.Originally posted by laoda99:but our GOD is a GOD of order, not confusion...what says u....
By Faith and by doctrine, God is a God of order.
By what we read and see in the bible. It doesn't really make alot of sense.
It is only thru the saving knowledge of Christ and by FAITH that the bible somehow does answer questions.
I'll stop here. Let me sort out my thoughts first.
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ya lah .. but as time progresses, cannot be only Latin right?Originally posted by laoda99:i am not sure...all i know it was in one language only: Latin -
the official text used by the church that time was the vulgate (latin) bible...Originally posted by Icemoon:ya lah .. but as time progresses, cannot be only Latin right?
i believe in this period masses were conducted in latin, which the laymen do not understand...only the priest knows what he is saying...
during the period of the reformation it was then translated into different languages...
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wat i feel: the reformation was inevitable. The Catholic Church responded too late to Martin Luther's demands. Had the church chose to reform itself, which Martin Luther would probably have preferred, it would not have broke up like wat it is now.
I can't say whether it is a good/bad thing. The bible was made available to laymen. But some reformers become as unforgiving as those they condemned, condemning those who dun share their ideas.
No church is perfect. As a result of the reformation, the Catholic Church become aware of its ills and began its counter-reform movement, which is a good thing to draw believers back into the faith.
It is just my opinion on the Reformation, no ill feelings please... -
Instead of saying it's inevitable. I would add on, it is inevitable because it's God's plan for it to happen.Originally posted by laoda99:wat i feel: the reformation was inevitable. The Catholic Church responded too late to Martin Luther's demands. Had the church chose to reform itself, which Martin Luther would probably have preferred, it would not have broke up like wat it is now.
I can't say whether it is a good/bad thing. The bible was made available to laymen. But some reformers become as unforgiving as the pope, condemning those who dun share their ideas.
No church is perfect. As a result of the reformation, the Catholic Church become aware of its ills and began its counter-reform movement, which is a good thing to draw believers back into the faith.
It is just my opinion on the Reformation, no ill feelings please...
I believe that the sovereign hand of God is in this reformation.
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ya i was saying the RC got to move with the times too .. the period after the reformation was the enlightenment which stressed on rationality. You think the RC can obstensibly survive in the 20th century with only Latin?Originally posted by laoda99:during the period of the reformation it was then translated into different languages... -
yah .. if never split .. god knows how big is the church today. intimidating and yet cannot attract many people 'cos there is no "cheap" grace and priests as magicians or singers.Originally posted by M©+square:I believe that the sovereign hand of God is in this reformation.
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u like such forms of worship meh?Originally posted by Icemoon:yah .. if never split .. god knows how big is the church today. intimidating and yet cannot attract many people 'cos there is no "cheap" grace and priests as magicians or singers. -
How should i interprete this. Hmm...sacarsm or something else?Originally posted by Icemoon:yah .. if never split .. god knows how big is the church today. intimidating and yet cannot attract many people 'cos there is no "cheap" grace and priests as magicians or singers. -
i don't .. but it seems to be the most effective way to evangelise now .. don't you agree?Originally posted by laoda99:u like such forms of worship meh? -
sadly it is.Originally posted by Icemoon:i don't .. but it seems to be the most effective way to evangelise now .. don't you agree? -
agree only on their message of grace only....the rest are only cosmetics....do away the cosmetics...the church is still there.....Originally posted by Icemoon:i don't .. but it seems to be the most effective way to evangelise now .. don't you agree?
if pple are only interested in rock concerts and magic shows, they can always pay to watch more professional ones.... -
There would probably be less turmoil in the world.