Anton LaVey
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1. U r not answering the question. IS HE HIDING OR NOT HIDING IN THE PRESENT AND THE PAST 2000 YEARS. I am explicitly saying tis time period only.
Ans: He is not hiding. To u, he probably is becoz u have never prayed/asked him urself. But to many of us, he isnÂ’t.
When GOD revealed himself to the world, the pple also donÂ’t believe him. It is understood that when u never see him, u doubt him even more.
2. If he doubt god, then god doesn't make him perfect as wat u claim. He is designed to eat the fruit after a specific time
Ans: He is perfect as in sinless. He is designed to worship the lord and to enjoy him, not to fall from grace. Men make that decision and suffer the consequences. GOD wants to bring men back to him, but it is men who is rejecting him.
3. In short, u r saying u can't give a real answer to why is the bible true, u can only say u believe it to be true. Tat means u can be wrong, and IMO very likely to be so. I mean some crazy people believe he is superman or wonder woman. Just because u believe in it doesn't make it a fact
Ans: U wouldnÂ’t be stupid enuff to believe someone who says he is a superman or wonder woman without checking isnÂ’t it? That's the difference between false/true prophets...
4. How much chances do u think he has given to lets say a born muslim living in a predominantly muslim society ? I don't really not hm not giving good reasons to believe in him yet expect us to do so as forgiving.
Ans: U are not the born muslim, how do u know GOD never give him chances?
5. I think it should work the other way. Come out before I believe he is true. Otherwise I will find myself terible busy having to pray to muslim god, buddhist god, cult god, taoist god or hindu god to see who answer first
Ans: U canÂ’t challenge him, and u will never be able to make him reveal to u this way. Like what i said, pray and ask him urself. Humble urself first, and he will show u his wisdom. -
1. He never say pple will go hell immediately. Otherwise, Christ would not have ask the apostles to spread his word and make disciples in the world.Originally posted by stupidissmart:God doesn't say tat when he made the laws. He said tat all those who do not follow go to hell. So he change his mind from time to time ?
If u say tat the law is only a guideline tat nobody follows even christians, then u r just simply saying men shouldn't follow the old laws and he lied about people going to hell over it etc. Talking about human laws, how much do u know about the old laws ? U don't even know them properly and u literally break them almost every day. How r u gonna answer to god in his court in judgement day ?
God never changes his mind. His promises are eternally binding and it will be fulfilled.
2. It is a guideline which pple follow but not perfect. He didn't lie abt pple going to hell. If u also believe in crimes and punishment, then u should also believe there is a place call hell for pple who sin deliberately.
U/I would not have to worry abt how we will be judged. When we leave this earth, U/I will know. For me now, I would rather have faith in GOD then to worry how he will judge me.
Acts 16:31, King James Version: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:31, American Standard Version: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 16:31, Amplified Bible: And they answered, Believe in and on the Lord Jesus Christ—that is, lgive yourself up to Him, mtake yourself out of your own keeping and entrust yourself into His keeping, and you will be saved; [and this applies both to] you and your household as well. -
I understand ur concerns. But I believe there is a difference between believers and non-believers how they read the bible.Originally posted by OH-FF:I'm not a Sai BaBa , shastra or Tantras believer, i'm a person who have been brought about reading bible to understand spirituality.
I dont claim to understand about religon, as i strongly believe in the existance of God and Spirituality.
Although one thing i'm so not certain, is most "learned" people from religons quickly find faults in others beliefs which is not in the Commandmant of Christ or any other religon's teaching.
I wonder is loving your enemies "Making enemies" or loving your enemies
"Making friends of them". I find this very spiritually disturbing to see arguments based on the words people speak, not the actions people lived out to be.
Believing Christ is the Way is a basic tenet in Christianity. That's how it differentiates between Christians and cults which worship Jesus as one of the many deities. Muslims also believed Allah is the only way and most Christians/Jews will go hell becoz of their unbelief. Similiarly, there can never be compromise for Christians in this aspect.
As Christians, we are more prone to be scrutinized by others by believing "Christ is The Way". It is inevitable, even though we have stressed many times not to judge Christ by judging Christians.
Christians are indeed in this world but not of this world. Persecuted and scorned we maybe, but as long as we stand fast to our faith, GOD will never allow our belief in him to be shaken. Even though out of our own pride we may fall, we will emerge stronger and victorious with the help of GOD. -
Originally posted by laoda99:I understand ur concerns.
Believing Christ is the Way is a basic tenet in Christianity. That's how it differentiates between Christians and cults which worship Jesus as a deity.
As Christians, we are more prone to be scrutinized by others by believing "Christ is The Way". It is inevitable, even though we have stressed many times not to judge Christ by judging Christians.
There can never be compromise for Christians in this aspect. We are indeed in this world but not of this world. Persecuted and scorned we maybe, but as long as we stand fast to our faith, GOD will never allow our belief in him to be shaken.
And the other day, i've seen grace , today i've seen faith. And let me again encourage your faith, that we're all each other's "angels" that brings us closer to the Holy Spirit. -
He is not hiding. To u, he probably is becoz u have never prayed/asked him urself. But to many of us, he isnÂ’t.
If god show himself now, when proper record can be done, it can be certain tat mankind frm now on will believes in him. But sadly, he doesn't do tat. Talking about praying or asking him etc, it is really, how do I say it, psychological. If u brainwash a person enough, he can even believe a cookie can talk to him. If u ask me, to let a person believe in something he should see the signs first before being convinced first. Things should be in the opposite way where u r convinced already before u see the signs. When u r already convinced, u can sense anything u want
When GOD revealed himself to the world, the pple also donÂ’t believe him. It is understood that when u never see him, u doubt him even more.He is perfect as in sinless. He is designed to worship the lord and to enjoy him, not to fall from grace. Men make that decision and suffer the consequences. GOD wants to bring men back to him, but it is men who is rejecting him.
If he is designed to worship lord, then everyone should be a believer and worship him. But looking around u see theer r many people who do not worship your god. How can u say men r designed to worship him ? If he show himself, offer clear evidence of his existence then he has more rights to blame men. but as said before, he didn't. Why blame people whenhe himself designed the environemtn tat is doesn't make sense in believing in himwouldnÂ’t be stupid enuff to believe someone who says he is a superman or wonder woman without checking isnÂ’t it? That's the difference between false/true prophets...
Then wat have u checked ?U are not the born muslim, how do u know GOD never give him chances?
U got to admit there r such people around. Why don't u answer where is the chances given to him ?U canÂ’t challenge him, and u will never be able to make him reveal to u this way. Like what i said, pray and ask him urself. Humble urself first, and he will show u his wisdom
I want concrete, undeniable and verifiable evidence. I do not want something which obviously can be very wrong and differs with different people. Wat is the diff between your claims and the lunatic who sees superman ? -
Thanks, though someone told me to cut the niceties, but i still must say u are a nice gentleman...Originally posted by OH-FF: And the other day, i've seen grace , today i've seen faith. And let me again encourage your faith, that we're all each other's "angels" that brings us closer to the Holy Spirit.
thank u for having faith in me too, hope ur faith in god will grow stronger!!! -
Have you heard of this quote?Originally posted by stupidissmart:I want concrete, undeniable and verifiable evidence. I do not want something which obviously can be very wrong and differs with different people. Wat is the diff between your claims and the lunatic who sees superman ?
"If you see Buddha, you will have to kill him to believe he's Buddha." -
1. If god show himself now, when proper record can be done, it can be certain tat mankind frm now on will believes in him. But sadly, he doesn't do tat. Talking about praying or asking him etc, it is really, how do I say it, psychological. If u brainwash a person enough, he can even believe a cookie can talk to him. If u ask me, to let a person believe in something he should see the signs first before being convinced first. Things should be in the opposite way where u r convinced already before u see the signs. When u r already convinced, u can sense anything u want
Ans: Well, we have the bible, and u do not believe it.
It is definitely different from praying to a cookie. Trust GOD, not trust me/a cookie.
2. If he is designed to worship lord, then everyone should be a believer and worship him. But looking around u see theer r many people who do not worship your god. How can u say men r designed to worship him ? If he show himself, offer clear evidence of his existence then he has more rights to blame men. but as said before, he didn't. Why blame people whenhe himself designed the environemtn tat is doesn't make sense in believing in him
Ans: We are not designed to be mindless robots. GOD has shown himself many times in the bible, but men still strayed away. The book of Exodus showed u that clearly.
3. Then wat have u checked ?
Ans: I have read the bible, I have checked with pple who have testimonies, I have my own experiences to tell me GOD is with me.
4. U got to admit there r such people around. Why don't u answer where is the chances given to him ?
Ans: We can never know for sure, and I will never be able to answer u this on behalf of that muslim. But if u believe GOD is JUST, then he will have his provisions for him. After all, Christ's yoke is light and not a burden to men.
Similiarly, I also believe GOD will know what to do with his covenant pple - the Jews. Everything is within GOD's plan, and u can expect results to be positive not negative.
5. I want concrete, undeniable and verifiable evidence. I do not want something which obviously can be very wrong and differs with different people. Wat is the diff between your claims and the lunatic who sees superman ?
Ans: Refer to 3. Instead of just challenging me, pray to him and he will show his ways to u. It is a matter of perspective. U can either see Christians as really believing in GOD, or u can compare them to lunatics who sees superman.
Just a thought: Even if GOD reveal himself to u now, will u believe in him as a loving god? Or will u probably use ur sense and logic and see him as an alien invader who come and kill all mankind? -
Heard it before.Originally posted by OH-FF:Have you heard of this quote?
"If you see Buddha, you will have to kill him to believe he's Buddha." -
have you seen love? the most important component ..Originally posted by OH-FF: And the other day, i've seen grace , today i've seen faith. -
Don't smoke me further. I discovered a thread in the archives where you prayed to the Datuk of Tekong to help you pass 2.4.Originally posted by HENG@:just so u know, im only saying in my post why i've been to stagmont b4, im not saying how many times i've been there. i've not made or denied any claims. so perhaps u would like to stop inferring things on your own and putting words into my mouth? besides mr Troll, i think its time u and your clones either shut up or come into the open. don't try to act innocent. everyone knows u're guilty.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:have you seen love? the most important component .. I would love to ..... but wait, what did i just seen? Ah...ha a cheap trick to tempt me to Sin !!!
Dont get me wrong , i'm just as easily tempted as anyone of you. I'm no Monk/Priest wannabe. -
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He never say pple will go hell immediately. Otherwise, Christ would not have ask the apostles to spread his word and make disciples in the world.
He say they will go to hell, if I am nto wrong it is probably immediate after death according to OT. So no matter wat is the time they go to hell. Unless he lies tat they don't. If he neevr changes his mind then u guys should follow the OT laws now
God never changes his mind. His promises are eternally binding and it will be fulfilledU/I would not have to worry abt how we will be judged. When we leave this earth, U/I will know. For me now, I would rather have faith in GOD then to worry how he will judge me.
U see, u can't give a proper answer to many question. U just escape from it by bringing out something totally different. It seems to me u believe without any proper reason and even when some parts seems totally senseless to u. Doesn't it a sign tat your faith could be wrong ? Wat if there is no god ? Doesn't tat make u a fool for believing in something which is nothing but a lie ?I understand ur concerns. But I believe there is a difference between believers and non-believers how they read the bible.
tat sounds like u believe in it before u even read the bible.Believing Christ is the Way is a basic tenet in Christianity. That's how it differentiates between Christians and cults which worship Jesus as one of the many deities. Muslims also believed Allah is the only way and most Christians/Jews will go hell becoz of their unbelief. Similiarly, there can never be compromise for Christians in this aspect.
Cults can believe christ is the way like jehova witness.Well, we have the bible, and u do not believe it.
Muslim has the quran and jews torah. So wat if there is a bible ? Books r so easy to write
It is definitely different from praying to a cookie. Trust GOD, not trust me/a cookie.
Definitely different ? To me wat is the difference between talking to thin air and talking to a cookie.we are not designed to be mindless robots. GOD has shown himself many times in the bible, but men still strayed away. The book of Exodus showed u that clearly.
The people tat god showed himself do not turn away from him. Does abraham or moses or noah turn away ? If he show himself then people will believe in him. He show himself in exodus and jews come about. But strangely he do not show himself now. We r not mindless robot, then don't make people believe blindly out of faith and not rationality.have read the bible, I have checked with pple who have testimonies, I have my own experiences to tell me GOD is with me
Have u read the quran or torah or buddhist scriptures ? Have u check with testimonies of people from other faith ? If u go around, u will find tat the points u said r really nothing uniqueWe can never know for sure, and I will never be able to answer u this on behalf of that muslim. But if u believe GOD is JUST, then he will have his provisions for him. After all, Christ's yoke is light and not a burden to men.
how do u know he is just ? Wat just acts have he perform before ?Similiarly, I also believe GOD will know what to do with his covenant pple - the Jews. Everything is within GOD's plan, and u can expect results to be positive not negative.
put it tis way, u don't know but u just believe in tis blindly and thought he will do something good for u. Your only answer is really "I don't know, I don't know why he do the thigns he does or say the things he did but I just blindly believe in him. U can show me 1 million examples of the wrong he did but I am just gonna stick to the fact tat he is gonna lead us to good just because I think he is gonna lead us to good. I have no other reasons or explanations". Tis is a very poor answer. Same as u r trying to tell a lunatic tat superman don't exists and show him evidencs and contradiction but he can only give the answer superman exists.Refer to 3. Instead of just challenging me, pray to him and he will show his ways to u. It is a matter of perspective. U can either see Christians as really believing in GOD, or u can compare them to lunatics who sees superman.
Asking me to pray to god is akin to asking u to pray to superman. Why don't u pray to superman and then u will know he exists. U probably will not because u do not believes he exists. Same as me here. U need to convince peopel he exists befoe he start to pray to him. The people who had pray and see him is already convinced and from the psychology aspect, he probably can sense anythingJust a thought: Even if GOD reveal himself to u now, will u believe in him as a loving god? Or will u probably use ur sense and logic and see him as an alien invader who come and kill all mankind?
If he reveals, then I will believe he exists. Whether is he loving or not depend largely on his actions, not just by his claims. A boastful guy can claim anything -
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1. He say they will go to hell, if I am nto wrong it is probably immediate after death according to OT. So no matter wat is the time they go to hell. Unless he lies tat they don't. If he neevr changes his mind then u guys should follow the OT laws now
Ans: Yes. Pple are going to hell, I never deny that. Thru Christ we have grace, which is why we are not bound to the OT laws now. We follow GODÂ’s commandments out of love for him, not out of requirement/fear.
2. U see, u can't give a proper answer to many question. U just escape from it by bringing out something totally different. It seems to me u believe without any proper reason and even when some parts seems totally senseless to u. Doesn't it a sign tat your faith could be wrong ? Wat if there is no god ? Doesn't tat make u a fool for believing in something which is nothing but a lie ?
Ans: U have ur own opinions and I respect that. It is ur assumption that there is no god. What if there is god and u were wrong?
3. tat sounds like u believe in it before u even read the bible.
Ans: No, in fact even when I start reading the bible I was still skeptical.
4. Cults can believe christ is the way like jehova witness.
Ans: U are right. Even cults can believe in Jesus, but itÂ’s up to their own interpretation who Christ is.
5. Muslim has the quran and jews torah. So wat if there is a bible ? Books r so easy to write
Ans: U can start writing a holy book on ur own now and see whether it is easy to right. The bible/quran was not compiled by one man, but by many.
6. Definitely different ? To me wat is the difference between talking to thin air and talking to a cookie.
Ans: Yes, u can talk to thin air, but a cookie is meant to be eaten, not talked to.
7. The people tat god showed himself do not turn away from him. Does abraham or moses or noah turn away ? If he show himself then people will believe in him. He show himself in exodus and jews come about. But strangely he do not show himself now. We r not mindless robot, then don't make people believe blindly out of faith and not rationality.
Ans: So do u believe GOD show himself to pple, since u believe he showed to Abraham or moses or noah? Agree with u that we should not believe blindly, rather we should test ourselves what is true/false. And do not underestimate ur prayers, they will be answered, just in a matter of time.
8. Have u read the quran or torah or buddhist scriptures ? Have u check with testimonies of people from other faith ? If u go around, u will find tat the points u said r really nothing unique
Ans: I have muslim friends who told me about the quran. I counter check what I was told on the Internet. I have read Buddhist Scriptures b4. My muslim friends believe in a one sovereign god call Allah. Even Buddhists do not reject the idea of god/gods. So why do u not believe in GOD?
9. how do u know he is just ? Wat just acts have he perform before ?
Ans: Base on what was written in the bible. U can do a search in google for all the acts he have done, since u dun read the bible.
10. put it tis way, u don't know but u just believe in tis blindly and thought he will do something good for u. Your only answer is really "I don't know, I don't know why he do the thigns he does or say the things he did but I just blindly believe in him. U can show me 1 million examples of the wrong he did but I am just gonna stick to the fact tat he is gonna lead us to good just because I think he is gonna lead us to good. I have no other reasons or explanations";. Tis is a very poor answer. Same as u r trying to tell a lunatic tat superman don't exists and show him evidencs and contradiction but he can only give the answer superman exists.
Ans: Then it is ok. If god doesnÂ’t exist, I will have my just desserts. But what if u are wrong? Even though u may be 99.99 percent sure, there is this 0.01 percent god exists, and it is hard to dispute that.
11. Asking me to pray to god is akin to asking u to pray to superman. Why don't u pray to superman and then u will know he exists. U probably will not because u do not believes he exists. Same as me here. U need to convince peopel he exists befoe he start to pray to him. The people who had pray and see him is already convinced and from the psychology aspect, he probably can sense anything
Ans: U dun even want to pray, how do u know he won’t answer? But humble urself first, and he will show u his ways. Personal experiences are not something which u have, if not, it will not be call ‘personal’ already. U have to have this kind of experience urself, by praying, reading the bible and applying these principles in ur life.
12. If he reveals, then I will believe he exists. Whether is he loving or not depend largely on his actions, not just by his claims. A boastful guy can claim anything
Ans: Refer to 11. Pray first, seek his wisdom. GOD is not boastful, if he really want to do he can do it. Even my muslim friends agree with me on this. We should not challenge him by telling him to show/send miracles, becoz Christ says: “The only sign u will have will be the sign of Jonah.” -
Originally posted by iveco:Don't smoke me further. I discovered a thread in the archives where you prayed to the Datuk of Tekong to help you pass 2.4.
what am i smoking u about huh? throughout all these discussions, have i made a firm statement about my gender? Nope. I'm just telling u the reasons why i may have been somewhere, and correcting anything incorrect u've said about me. What everyone else wants to speculate, they can as far as I'm concerned. Other than that, I don't need to smoke u, because do u seriously think i care if u think im male, female, or whatever? Don't delude yourself troll.
and may i remind u, troll, that u should stop trying to detract from the main topic of discussion here? -
aiya ah heng .. just tell us whether you are a male or female lah.
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its my right not to disclose is it not?Originally posted by Icemoon:aiya ah heng .. just tell us whether you are a male or female lah. -
never mind .. we shall keep on guessing.