Are Christians too liberal that we usually got bashed?
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allow me to clarify..Originally posted by Icemoon:haah .. you are really a joker.
you asked whether christians are being persecuted .. but you admitted they are being persecuted?
they persecute religious activist.. not christians..
among those religious activists.. their primary targets are Fu Lun Gong and Tibetian Buddhist.. not Christians..
why? Communist China (especially since Mao), do not believe in religion..
there are christians churches in China.. There are christians in China.. and and these christians are allowed to visit the churches..
my only intent is to show that such countries policies are not christian-specific.. and hence the statement posted by the thread-starter does not stand.. -
what makes u so sure it is the perfect guideline given by god? what have u counterchecked it against to make that claim? how can u swear there has not been ANY tampering done to its contents by any humans previously? and if its not revised, then why have many of the scriptures been removed and new ones added? my view is that this guideline, given by god, was once perfect. unfortunately, more than once in its corrupt past, the church has tampered with it, and it is no longer the perfect guideline, tainted by human hands. surely u must see that. so now, the bible IS exactly just like any other guideline, and is full of mistakes and inaccuracies.Originally posted by laoda99:no...i would say as the guideline is a perfect one given by god to let us see how much we fall short, men can never keep all of it. However, it does not mean we have a free license to sin since we cannot keep all the laws. Rather, we follow becoz we love god, not out of fear.
no...i do not believe it is continuously revised...once god given it to us, like what I told SIS, it is eternally binding, just that we are no longer punished for the sins.
yes i agree it is a guideline given by god...not just any other guideline which u said full of mistakes and inaccuracies...
if u understand the message of grace, then everything in the bible will be clear to u....if u only understand the bible by morality/legalism, then everything will not make sense to u becoz u will think it is full of contradictions. -
How many pastors and bishops have they locked up to die in jails? Did you know the Chinese Communists have been killing Christians ever since they took over?Originally posted by earthlings73:there are 10 millions Catholics and 15 millions Protestants in China.. are they persecuted? -
my question - when, where, how and to whom was this guideline given?Originally posted by HENG@:my view is that this guideline, given by god, was once perfect. -
Every religion will have a sacred book somewhere that it's practitioners will claim divine origin. Christianity is no different in this sense.Originally posted by HENG@:what makes u so sure it is the perfect guideline given by god? what have u counterchecked it against to make that claim? how can u swear there has not been ANY tampering done to its contents by any humans previously? and if its not revised, then why have many of the scriptures been removed and new ones added? my view is that this guideline, given by god, was once perfect. unfortunately, more than once in its corrupt past, the church has tampered with it, and it is no longer the perfect guideline, tainted by human hands. surely u must see that. so now, the bible IS exactly just like any other guideline, and is full of mistakes and inaccuracies.
Note that the most parts of the OT came about even at the time of Jesus, so we can assume that the integrity of the OT is very much intact. You, of course, may wish to read about how Jewish scripture is transmitted from one generation to another generation - to lengthy to discuss here.
Where the NT is concern, we all know about the Canon that decided upon the compilation of the remaining books. Of course, if one is to take into the account of Dan Brown (which had been somewhat discredited by secular scholars) then we can assume that the Bible is an adulterated version of the word of God.
However, if we assume that a divine deity exist and is in control, we can continue to assume that the canonization of the books of the NT is also in the plan of this divine deity. -
so i suppose it is also the plan of the divine deity that more and more people are questioning the religion then?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Every religion will have a sacred book somewhere that it's practitioners will claim divine origin. Christianity is no different in this sense.
Note that the most parts of the OT came about even at the time of Jesus, so we can assume that the integrity of the OT is very much intact. You, of course, may wish to read about how Jewish scripture is transmitted from one generation to another generation - to lengthy to discuss here.
Where the NT is concern, we all know about the Canon that decided upon the compilation of the remaining books. Of course, if one is to take into the account of Dan Brown (which had been somewhat discredited by secular scholars) then we can assume that the Bible is an adulterated version of the word of God.
However, if we assume that a divine deity exist and is in control, we can continue to assume that the canonization of the books of the NT is also in the plan of this divine deity. -
Also appilcable to Christians who bash the faiths of others. Pls dont have a one sided view. Before you came in, this forum was a place for some Christians who starts topics on other faiths. They had the cheek to deny so, and peeps like me and heng@ had already seen such stuff.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If some folks are intent on bashing Christianity, the time will come to bring the Maintenance of Regious Harmony Act to bear on them:
'...where the Minister is satisfied that that person has committed or is attempting to commit any of the following acts:
(a) causing feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different religious groups...
...he may make a restraining order against him.'
'..an order made under this section may restrain the person named therein from addressing or advising any religious group or religious institution or any member thereof or making any statement or causing any statement to be made, whether orally or in writing, concerning or affecting the relations between that religious group or religious institution and the Government or any other religious group or religious institution.'
' Any person who contravenes any provision of an order made under this Part shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both. '
Chap167A Sect. 8, 9, 16
So be careful of what you say even on the net. You can be identified and brought to account.
By the way, please name which Act or law that govern what we can say online? -
One sided. You werent here when some of the Christians use this place as a place to bash other religions.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If some folks are intent on bashing Christianity, the time will come to bring the Maintenance of Regious Harmony Act to bear on them:
'...where the Minister is satisfied that that person has committed or is attempting to commit any of the following acts:
(a) causing feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different religious groups...
...he may make a restraining order against him.'
'..an order made under this section may restrain the person named therein from addressing or advising any religious group or religious institution or any member thereof or making any statement or causing any statement to be made, whether orally or in writing, concerning or affecting the relations between that religious group or religious institution and the Government or any other religious group or religious institution.'
' Any person who contravenes any provision of an order made under this Part shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both. '
Chap167A Sect. 8, 9, 16
So be careful of what you say even on the net. You can be identified and brought to account. -
oh but thats the way it is with them isn't it? they've always thought they're right and others are always in the wrong. I mean, looking at the way they ac n speak, can anyone blame non-christians for thinking that christians can't do no wrong? They themselves are the ones who foister that view onto others, then accuse others of not understanding that they're human too. So ultimately who they want to blame?Originally posted by laurence82:One sided. You werent here when some of the Christians use this place as a place to bash other religions. -
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
If some folks are intent on bashing Christianity, the time will come to bring the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act to bear on them:
'...where the Minister is satisfied that that person has committed or is attempting to commit any of the following acts:
(a) causing feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different religious groups...
...he may make a restraining order against him.'
'..an order made under this section may restrain the person named therein from addressing or advising any religious group or religious institution or any member thereof or making any statement or causing any statement to be made, whether orally or in writing, concerning or affecting the relations between that religious group or religious institution and the Government or any other religious group or religious institution.'
' Any person who contravenes any provision of an order made under this Part shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding $20,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both. '
Chap167A Sect. 8, 9, 16
So be careful of what you say even on the net. You can be identified and brought to account.
THANKS I WILL REMIND ANY WOULD BE PREACHER OF THIS!
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if my and heng@ words sound too strong, and harsh, i am not apologetic abt it, and neither will heng@
we been staying around in sgforums long enuff to see sum rubbish being posted here, CC and even the LOA forum when it first started
i just checked out the Young PAP forum, seems they have the same problem too
SIS entry into this forum, and started debating Christian issues here, isnt accidental too, its also a results of what we seen around...
by the way, there isnt much debate over believer-non believer issue over the recent mths, things were appearing to have improved, i believe its unwise of the topic starter to even start this topic
its like 'wu feng bu qi lang'
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By faith i say the laws given to us by god is perfect. God is indeed a perfect and good god who want the best for/from his children.Originally posted by HENG@:what makes u so sure it is the perfect guideline given by god? what have u counterchecked it against to make that claim? how can u swear there has not been ANY tampering done to its contents by any humans previously? and if its not revised, then why have many of the scriptures been removed and new ones added? my view is that this guideline, given by god, was once perfect. unfortunately, more than once in its corrupt past, the church has tampered with it, and it is no longer the perfect guideline, tainted by human hands. surely u must see that. so now, the bible IS exactly just like any other guideline, and is full of mistakes and inaccuracies.
By receiving grace from god i say it is perfect, as Christ came not to abolish the laws, by to fulfill it for us.
it is still perfect, just that we now have his grace and god no longer punish us for sins.
i will pray for u. Hope u can pray urself also. Acknowledge the lord in all ways, and not lean on ur own understanding, and he will make ur path straight. -
Yeah, and I suppose Ah Neon was guilty of some of that, right? I did a quick search on threads he posted here when MCSq brought it up on another of Laoda's topics. Ah Neon did come under quite heavy attack from a number of people, SIS included.Originally posted by laurence82:if my and heng@ words sound too strong, and harsh, i am not apologetic abt it, and neither will heng@
we been staying around in sgforums long enuff to see sum rubbish being posted here, CC and even the LOA forum when it first started
i just checked out the Young PAP forum, seems they have the same problem too
SIS entry into this forum, and started debating Christian issues here, isnt accidental too, its also a results of what we seen around...
by the way, there isnt much debate over believer-non believer issue over the recent mths, things were appearing to have improved, i believe its unwise of the topic starter to even start this topic
its like 'wu feng bu qi lang'
It is okay to be harsh, but don't turn offensive. There is a fine line between the two. By putting others down and laughing at them, you are worse than the bigots you sought to put down. -
This thread should cease...i agree with Laurence, this thread just create more 'lang'
Laoda: It is not necessary to defend.
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you just don't understand do u? i never said his laws are imperfect. but HOW can u be so SURE that all the contents in that book ARE indeed his word and his laws, and that no human has ever altered the contents for their own human causes and interests? CAN u gurantee that for me? If u can gurantee it beyond doubt, with sufficient evidence, then I will accept it. Otherwise, in my view, the contents of that book is too tainted by humans to be considered holy. Perhaps u're the one who's blinding yourself to that fact. It does u no good to keep telling me that the laws given to us by god are perfect yada yada. I never contested that it wasn't, but I AM contesting whether the contents of the bible can safely be taken to be 100%, perfectly accurate, and whether we are in any danger of believeing and following any wrong ideas due to human tamperations with the contents of the bible in the past.Originally posted by laoda99:By faith i say the laws given to us by god is perfect. God is indeed a perfect and good god who want the best for/from his children.
By receiving grace from god i say it is perfect, as Christ came not to abolish the laws, by to fulfill it for us.
it is still perfect, just that we now have his grace and god no longer punish us for sins.
i will pray for u. Hope u can pray urself also. Acknowledge the lord in all ways, and not lean on ur own understanding, and he will make ur path straight. -
you have no right to talk. not after u've caused people so much trouble here. talk about fine line huh? how many fine lines did u cross when u caused coolger so much distress?Originally posted by iveco:Yeah, and I suppose Ah Neon was guilty of some of that, right? I did a quick search on threads he posted here when MCSq brought it up on another of Laoda's topics. Ah Neon did come under quite heavy attack from a number of people, SIS included.
It is okay to be harsh, but don't turn offensive. There is a fine line between the two. By putting others down and laughing at them, you are worse than the bigots you sought to put down.
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Plsss, iveco, u are a troll, esp to forum gals u cant get, dont act like a moral person...Originally posted by iveco:Yeah, and I suppose Ah Neon was guilty of some of that, right? I did a quick search on threads he posted here when MCSq brought it up on another of Laoda's topics. Ah Neon did come under quite heavy attack from a number of people, SIS included.
It is okay to be harsh, but don't turn offensive. There is a fine line between the two. By putting others down and laughing at them, you are worse than the bigots you sought to put down.
Alredi, i dont mention names for reason i use the Chinese idiom, u must go and dig it up..
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You are worse than Laoda or Ah Neon by posting such blunt statements. She has forgiven me, so why can't you accept that and move on?Originally posted by HENG@:you have no right to talk. not after u've caused people so much trouble here. talk about fine line huh? how many fine lines did u cross when u caused coolger so much distress?
What about Moxie? You reounded on him like a wild beast in SAF forums and caused threads to be closed with your ill-feeling towards him.
You have renounced the right to be called human. Anyone who shoots you on sight should not be seen as a criminal any more. -
Do you genuinely care for them, or are you merely tryiing to get into their good books? I have doubts about your level of sincerity.Originally posted by laurence82:Plsss, iveco, u are a troll, esp to forum gals u cant get, dont act like a moral person...
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Originally posted by iveco:
oh pleassse. moxie? moxie deserved every bit of that, for speaking like he was in the know without knowing the truth behind the matter or having any information about it, and for insulting 2 innocent people who are being used as scapegoats by higher powers to protect a couple of very guilty but important people. you? i should say, you better stop speaking without thinking or knowing anything. U've caused so many problems for fellow forumnites because u only know how to speak thru your Asshole. I'm surprised u still have the face to stay here. To call u thick-skinned is not even beginning to scratch the surface yet. Long b4 i renounced my right to be called human, u've had your right to be called human stripped by everyone else.
[b]You are worse than Laoda or Ah Neon by posting such blunt statements. She has forgiven me, so why can't you accept that and move on?
What about Moxie? You reounded on him like a wild beast in SAF forums and caused threads to be closed with your ill-feeling towards him.
You have renounced the right to be called human. Anyone who shoots you on sight should not be seen as a criminal any more.[/b] -
Originally posted by iveco:
yah moxie the poor chap. He seems an honest guy to me but ah heng and gendaken just stomped on him like an enemy.
What about Moxie? You reounded on him like a wild beast in SAF forums and caused threads to be closed with your ill-feeling towards him.[/color][/b]
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Do I have to, or u are blind to many frens who help defend them?Originally posted by iveco:Do you genuinely care for them, or are you merely tryiing to get into their good books? I have doubts about your level of sincerity.
I guess you are lonely do u, you dont know what is friendship. -
Don't make me hex you and your entire clan. My power comes from the same source as Oceanos, and he doesn't tolerate flamers. Neither do I.Originally posted by HENG@:oh pleassse. moxie? moxie deserved every bit of that, for speaking like he was in the know without knowing the truth behind the matter or having any information about it, and for insulting 2 innocent people who are being used as scapegoats by higher powers to protect a couple of very guilty but important people. you? i should say, you better stop speaking without thinking or knowing anything. U've caused so many problems for fellow forumnites because u only know how to speak thru your Asshole. I'm surprised u still have the face to stay here. To call u thick-skinned is not even beginning to scratch the surface yet. Long b4 i renounced my right to be called human, u've had your right to be called human stripped by everyone else.
If I look at my rear end with a mirror, I am sure I can see your face reflected there. -
Hex lor, as if we all will believe u, or you read too much harry pothead?Originally posted by iveco:Don't make me hex you and your entire clan. My power comes from the same source as Oceanos, and he doesn't tolerate flamers. Neither do I.
If I look at my rear end with a mirror, I am sure I can see your face reflected there. -
Heng@ and Ged can join Hardwarezone for all I care. There are so many members joining us each day, only a matter of time before these newbies take up premier membership.Originally posted by Icemoon:yah moxie the poor chap. He seems an honest guy to me but ah heng and gendaken just stomped on him like an enemy.