whenever we ask GOD "Why u never do this...why u never do.."
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Whenever we ask GOD "If u are GOD, why u never take away all the sufferings of the people.....why u never bless me.......why the small child must die....why....why...."
Are we putting our GOD on the persecution stand by judging him?
Do we really take the goodness in this world and blessings of our GOD for granted?
Do we readily condemn GOD when there is injustice in this world, and when we are better-off than others we only attribute it to "I am lucky" instead of GOD?
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Pple just look to God for help when they are in times of trouble and push everything to God.
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just a short one from me.Originally posted by laoda99:Whenever we ask GOD "If u are GOD, why u never take away all the sufferings of the people.....why u never bless me.......why the small child must die....why....why...."
Are we putting our GOD on the persecution stand by judging him?
Do we really take the goodness in this world and blessings of our GOD for granted?
Do we readily condemn GOD when there is injustice in this world, and when we are better-off than others we only attribute it to "I am lucky" instead of GOD?
What is your take on this?
My counter question is : Are you spirit filled yet?
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i believed i am.Originally posted by M©+square:just a short one from me.
My counter question is : Are you spirit filled yet?
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nobody can be sure that GOD even existed in the first place.
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ah...tat's ur statement of faith...Originally posted by dragg:nobody can be sure that GOD even existed in the first place.
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aiyoh .. are u sure u are a graduate of a seminary or not?Originally posted by dragg:nobody can be sure that GOD even existed in the first place.
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I did not counter question to you. But to your post.Originally posted by laoda99:i believed i am.
All Christians are spirit filled also.
All christians are spirit filled. - I wish i could agree with your ideal.
But in the scripture. and in real life, wrong.
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dragg is a graduate of a seminary?Originally posted by Icemoon:aiyoh .. are u sure u are a graduate of a seminary or not? -
I believe all Christians are spirit filled; why we fail is becoz we put our pride and ego b4 Christ.Originally posted by M©+square:I did not counter question to you. But to your post.
All christians are spirit filled. - I wish i could agree with your ideal.
But in the scripture. and in real life, wrong.
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Originally posted by laoda99:Whenever we ask GOD "If u are GOD, why u never take away all the sufferings of the people.....why u never bless me.......why the small child must die....why....why...."
Are we putting our GOD on the persecution stand by judging him?
Do we really take the goodness in this world and blessings of our GOD for granted?
Do we readily condemn GOD when there is injustice in this world, and when we are better-off than others we only attribute it to "I am lucky" instead of GOD?
What is your take on this?
Rather good answer.Originally posted by laoda99:I believe all Christians are spirit filled; why we fail is becoz we put our pride and ego b4 Christ.
From your answer i conclude
Christian=spirit filled/filled with holy ghost/empowered by Holy spirit
So in which category of 'spirit filled christians' persecute and condemn God?
You believe all Christians are spirit filled, then do you think a spirit filled christian would persecute and condemn God?
Surely Christians [should] have the knowledge of God thru the guidance of the Holy spirit, if so, how does your opening post stand?
What you actually believe?
I suggest you read it again cover to cover a few times.
Maybe we are really reading different bible.
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I think even when we become Christians, there are bound to be moments where we are disappoint with GOD or become backsliders. A spirit filled Christian is still human and not a supernatural being. Not all of us can become like JOB when the going gets tough. But as Christians, my stand is: we should always believe that GOD is always in control and guide us in our very hour of need.Originally posted by M©+square:Rather good answer.
From your answer i conclude
Christian=spirit filled/filled with holy ghost/empowered by Holy spirit
So in which category of 'spirit filled christians' persecute and condemn God?
You believe all Christians are spirit filled, then do you think a spirit filled christian would persecute and condemn God?
Surely Christians [should] have the knowledge of God thru the guidance of the Holy spirit, if so, how does your opening post stand?
What you actually believe?
I suggest you read it again cover to cover a few times.
Maybe we are really reading different bible.
Cheers
B4 Christ die for our sins, there was a part where he says:"My GOD why have u forsaken me?" I have heard many commentaries about this, but this is where i think the grey area is. If even Christ can said this, I am sure many of us as his followers would have felt the same way b4 too.
I admit i have not read it cover to cover b4, mebbe u did. The bible we read should be the same, unless u are reading a different language one.
Probably I can learn more from u, since u are a more matured Christian. U should tell me what is your stand as someone who has been long in the faith. What is your stand as a Christian then? What do u think we should believe and how we should be reading the bible?
I was very disappointed and confused with the grey areas too, but now I already decided not evrything I can explain with my limited human understanding.
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Originally posted by laoda99:I think even when we become Christians, there are bound to be moments where we are disappoint with GOD or become backsliders. A spirit filled Christian is still human and not a supernatural being. Not all of us can become like JOB when the going gets tough. But as Christians, my stand is: we should always believe that GOD is always in control and guide us in our very hour of need. Agreed. Now that you cushion your words from persecution and condemn with disappointment.
Again my point. Your claim on all christians are spirit-filled which i differ.
If all christians are spirit filled, then why are there 'unbelieving christians'? Or we call them 'doubting christians'?
I believe most Christians know that God is in control because of the sovereignty He holds. So they did not persecute God.
B4 Christ die for our sins, there was a part where he says:"My GOD why have u forsaken me?" I have heard many commentaries about this, but this is where i think the grey area is. If even Christ can said this, I am sure many of us as his followers would have felt the same way b4 too.None of the believers. I repeat. None of the believers would or will have felt what Jesus felt when forsaken.
I admit i have not read it cover to cover b4, mebbe u did. The bible we read should be the same, unless u are reading a different language one.
I believe the Healing power of God. if you don't, what makes you think we are believing the same God?
So do you believe in the healing God(God who does miracles and healings???)
I believe there are two ways of looking at the belief. You don't. Why do you think we are at the same direction?
Your faith and belief may not be the same as mine though our bible may be the same.
Probably I can learn more from u, since u are a more matured Christian. U should tell me what is your stand as someone who has been long in the faith. What is your stand as a Christian then? What do u think we should believe and how we should be reading the bible?
Believe in your relationship with God and resist professing being a spiritual man who will stand by your faith.
Christianity is personal faith.
Just take this moment and spend more time with your bible than in here.
I don't see anything edifying coming out from these discussions. I don't see spreading the word here is glorifying or anything near it.
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I'm glad you understand this part.Originally posted by laoda99:I was very disappointed and confused with the grey areas too, but now I already decided not evrything I can explain with my limited human understanding.
Cheers!
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doubting christians...unbelieving christians...haizzz....I think I already said enuff abt them already.Originally posted by M©+square:If all christians are spirit filled, then why are there 'unbelieving christians'? Or we call them 'doubting christians'?
None of the believers. I repeat. None of the believers would or will have felt what Jesus felt when forsaken.
believe the Healing power of God. if you don't, what makes you think we are believing the same God?
So do you believe in the healing God(God who does miracles and healings???)
I believe there are two ways of looking at the belief. You don't. Why do you think we are at the same direction?
Your faith and belief may not be the same as mine though our bible may be the same.
Believe in your relationship with God and resist professing being a spiritual man who will stand by your faith.
Christianity is personal faith.
Just take this moment and spend more time with your bible than in here.
I don't see anything edifying coming out from these discussions. I don't see spreading the word here is glorifying or anything near it.
You are right in saying none of the believers would have felt the same way. I am wrong in using that as a comparison.
I believe in the healing power of GOD...if not I would not have believe he would cure my hepatitis. What I am against...pastors telling pple to stop taking medicine if they think they can be healed by GOD. I believe GOD heal everyone in different ways. For me, I believe God can cure me through doctors. I am still very skeptical in hearing about new kidneys growing out of nowhere in kidney patients, but i will try not to limit myself in my understanding of healing.
I am never a spiritual man, it is just that recently i decided I need to have a stand and believe in the faith. I too, was one of those 'doubting' 'non-believing' christians which u said. U should see from my posts that I dun post very often until recently.
I agree with u that Christianity is personal faith; different experiences for everybody. What my intention is: share my testimonial to encourage those who want to believe but still holding back. If GOD can change a skeptical person in me, I believe he can change anyone.
It is never a glorifying thing here to tell anyone about the faith. We are prone to be attacked by non-christians. I am a net addict and I spend a lot of time on the internet. What I feel I can do is to share some information abt the good news here with pple who want to listen. Even if they dun believe, at least I have planted the seed. Even for my parents, they have yet to believe in GOD but at least I knew I tried.
You may say I am idealistic but I can tell u by sharing we can encourage fellow christians here. I have received positive pms from pple encouraging me. If not, I would have stopped posting like what u have said. Now I know the importance of going to church and fellowship between Christians, becoz it is the only way we can encourage each other in the faith.
I am now going for bible lessons at church which I believe is good for me as a young christian. Some of the things which I wrote here are wat i believe I can share with the pple here.
If u dun see anything edifying, it is ok, becoz u have ur own opinion. For u, what is the reason why u continue to post here, since it is not edifying?
My school term is starting next week and I wont have time to reply as much as b4. U probably won't see me here as much as b4. But now that I still have time, I would still continue to post. But I will take ur advice to take things easier and to read my bible more.
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Originally posted by laoda99:
If you deisre to edify then go ahead. I don't see anything edifying because i see some believers here wanting to say their things and some only want to argue for the sake of arguing.
[b]If u dun see anything edifying, it is ok, becoz u have ur own opinion. For u, what is the reason why u continue to post here, since it is not edifying?
Cheers![/b]
I'm not striving to edify anyway, it's just forum.
Cheers
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Then it's just forum for me also....Originally posted by M©+square:If you deisre to edify then go ahead. I don't see anything edifying because i see some believers here wanting to say their things and some only want to argue for the sake of arguing.
I'm not striving to edify anyway, it's just forum.
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I am not trying to show anyone i am a better christian or a better person.....
Pls dun see me as glorifying myself ok? Somehow, I think u misunderstood me.... -
No Fate But What We Make
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I got Hua Zhong You Hua la!!!!Originally posted by laoda99:Then it's just forum for me also....
I am not trying to show anyone i am a better christian or a better person.....
Pls dun see me as glorifying myself ok? Somehow, I think u misunderstood me....
Hugz Laoda. Not talking about you la!!!
You're doing great! Burn on!
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you too....burn on!!!Originally posted by M©+square:I got Hua Zhong You Hua la!!!!
Hugz Laoda. Not talking about you la!!!
You're doing great! Burn on!
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Err...i don't want to burn leh.Originally posted by laoda99:you too....burn on!!!
~ i am known as the human torch - Fantastic 4 - ~
Just keep a quiet life.
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just blunder into this topic
just wanna ask
what is edify?
i heard of the word edit only.....
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http://bible-history.com/isbe/E/EDIFICATION%3B+EDIFY/Originally posted by laurence82:just blunder into this topic
just wanna ask
what is edify?
i heard of the word edit only.....