Originally posted by Icemoon:SIS, actually he dun have to follow every law in the OT .. for the simple reason He is not bound by the covenant! The covenant is between God and the Israelities.
SIS, to know more about the God's covenant with the Israelites, you got to read about Abram aka Abraham in Genesis.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then can i enquire where in the bible does it states tat the laws r for a single group of people (Israelities) and not for all the people. Tis I really do not know but it appears to have been claimed by a lot of people. Furthermore, wat happen to the other tribes tat is not Israelities in tis time frame ?
SIS, to know more about the God's covenant with the Israelites, you got to read about Abram aka Abraham in GenesisWell, first god never say tat other people do not have to follow the law. Second, not all jews r abraham decendents. Anyone who wanna become a jew can be one. Thirdly when Jesus and moses mentioned about the old laws, they did not say it is exclusive to jews only.
To your first question, just ask yourself what's the point of circumcision? What and why did God tell the Israelites to circumcise?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then can i enquire where in the bible does it states tat the laws r for a single group of people (Israelities) and not for all the people. Tis I really do not know but it appears to have been claimed by a lot of people. Furthermore, wat happen to the other tribes tat is not Israelities in tis time frame ?
All jews are abraham's descendants, no? Even all Arabs are supposed to be Abraham's seeds, but their ancestor Ishmael never received the birthright.Generally, in modern secular usage, Jews include three groups: people who practice Judaism and have a Jewish ethnic background (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent), people without Jewish parents who have converted to Judaism; and those Jews who, while not practicing Judaism as a religion, still identify themselves as Jews by virtue of their family's Jewish descent and their own cultural and historical identification with the Jewish people.
Ok, to your third question on whether the 613 commandments are exclusive to the Jews only, just ask yourself a simple question. If they are not exclusive, what's the point of the covenant?Actually, on closer reading, if u talk about convenant, the convenant mention only includes circumcism. Tat is why genesis 17 is called convenant of circumcision. Other than tat, the old laws nor jesus really claim they r for jews exclusively. If the OT laws r only for Jews, then why is the NT relevant for non-jews ? It is only in the OT tat says a messiah is coming isn't it ?
You yourself also think it is unfair right? If your ancestor never make any covenant with God, do you have to receive the Torah in all its entirely?If talking about unfair, then my ancesters never heard of jesus and they probably die without believing in jesus. Frankly which deeds do the god do is fair ?
To your first question, just ask yourself what's the point of circumcision? What and why did God tell the Israelites to circumcise?U tell me, why ask them to circumcise ?
What claimed by a lot of pple?the idea tat OT laws r only for jews and not for christians
Yah .. I dun think I disagreed to that. But it is more than believe lah, you need to convert and practise their lifestyle also. You think like the Christian liddat say believe then can liao meh?Originally posted by stupidissmart:As long as u believe in judaism, u r a jew. As such u do not need to be abraham's decendent.
If the OT laws r only for Jews, then why is the NT relevant for non-jews ? It is only in the OT tat says a messiah is coming isn't it ?Read the part where Paul? said the Jews rejected the gospel that's why it was brought to the gentiles.
Jesus say anyone isn't it ? Why become only abraham's decendents?aiyoh .. if you are talking about the laws meant for the Jews, the "anyone" has to mean the Jews who knew the law. Did your ancestors know the law?
If talking about unfair, then my ancesters never heard of jesus and they probably die without believing in jesus. Frankly which deeds do the god do is fair ?You asking the Christians or me? I do no have the ans to this for obvious reasons ..[/quote]
SIS thinks u are a christian, bro...Originally posted by Icemoon:
Yah .. I dun think I disagreed to that. But it is more than believe lah, you need to convert and practise their lifestyle also. You think like the Christian liddat say believe then can liao meh?SO it is not really to abraham decendents but to all people who want to believe
Read the part where Paul? said the Jews rejected the gospel that's why it was brought to the gentiles.please direct me
In the gosepl, when Jesus was born and before, it was said the Messiah is coming.And it is to the jews isn't it ? Everyone in the jesus story is jew. So if u say it is for jew only then christ is for jew only
aiyoh .. if you are talking about the laws meant for the Jews, the "anyone" has to mean the Jews who knew the law. Did your ancestors know the law?aiyoh, all the people r all jew then. In tat case everything he say r all for jew ear only and christianity is really a cult of jew. He say anyone means everybody have to follow, as long as u believe in christ. He do not specified tat only the people tat know the law but he specify every people. (allow me to follow Navindar singh or something) Just answer tis question straight. Does Jesus specify "anyone" when he mentioned the old laws ? Honest truth here. Is christian not a subset of "anyone" ? If u talk about "knowing" laws, then isn't OT part of the bible and they too should know about the "laws". Since christians knew the laws too, why should they be excluded ?
You asking the Christians or me? I do no have the ans to this for obvious reasonsu believe in god isn't it ? Tis question is about god right ?
think u better make a choice between the three faiths....if not SIS will be more confusedOriginally posted by Icemoon:wow .. from jew to christian .. what's next .. muslim?
I don't recall your trollish ways changing much as well.Originally posted by stupidissmart:after so many years, your signature and your impression of me never change
I choose the faith that Adam had before his fall.Originally posted by laoda99:think u better make a choice between the three faiths....if not SIS will be more confused
haizz...u cannot be neither here or thereOriginally posted by Icemoon:I choose the faith that Adam had before his fall.