is homosexuality OK according to christianity?
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U sound as if u are the one giving the law....i dun see a need to discuss this issue with u any further.... from the 'burn infidels burn messages' u wrote i think u lost it completely already.....Originally posted by stupidissmart:and wat is the point ? follow the rules above then ! God can't stand the sight of sin and so u should be the one tat eliminate them as he ordered. U r sinning by refusing his orders, u r taking god grace in vain -
X2Originally posted by laoda99:U sound as if u are the one giving the law....i dun see a need to discuss this issue with u any further.... from the 'burn infidels burn messages' u wrote i think u lost it completely already..... -
One word: faith.Originally posted by earthlings73:ah.. let me try to clarify what i think the authors were trying to point out..
bible (especially those from the OT) contains materials that need to be interpreted by men.. even if the bible is the word of god, how sure are you the men can always interpret the bible correctly?
As Christians, we have the holy spirit as our counsellor. The holy spirit will not contradict the word of GOD. -
aiyoh my friend, you better edit your reply .. so dangerous .. full of holes.Originally posted by laoda99:One word: faith.
As Christians, we have the holy spirit as our counsellor. The holy spirit will not contradict the word of GOD.
Wait someone asks you if the Holy Spirit is the counsellor, how come there are so many interpretations?
then you suck thumb says Martin Luther had the Holy Spirit and the RC didn't .. and risked flamed by the RCs here
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this is expected....what kind of intepretations to what issues are u talking abt?Originally posted by Icemoon:aiyoh my friend, you better edit your reply .. so dangerous .. full of holes.
Wait someone asks you if the Holy Spirit is the counsellor, how come there are so many interpretations?
If u are talking abt issues towards church doctrines e.g. sacrements such as baptism and why there are so many interpretations, I would rather not comment becoz they are minor issues. The main focus should always be on Christ, who is the only way for our salvation. The others are minor issues which can be sorted out.
I believed there are only so many interpretations when men tried to search for answers in vain. We must accept that there are not all things which we can understand abt GOD. Even I, from a reformed church, do not think we have all the answers.
If we, as Christians, do not hold that the bible is inerrant, there would be no basis of our faith. Same as people from the other faiths. They would not have believed their own scriptures if they dun think it is inerrant. -
U sound as if u are the one giving the law....i dun see a need to discuss this issue with u any further.... from the 'burn infidels burn messages' u wrote i think u lost it completely already.....
Well, I am not the author of the laws. I merely repharse the gist of wat it means. The one giving the laws is your god
Burning infidels is actually stated by the passage itself. If u think I lost it completely, then perhaps the original author of the laws is the one tat lost it...Wait someone asks you if the Holy Spirit is the counsellor, how come there are so many interpretations?
then you suck thumb says Martin Luther had the Holy Spirit and the RC didn't .. and risked flamed by the RCs here
If there is holy spirits guiding christian and catholic then they really went to crusaders and inquisition by the guidance of god. -
This is silly, no offense, but are you suggesting the Counseller is there only when the verse deals with Christ? So when the verse is about sacrements and most notably faith vs works, the Counseller suddenly fades awayOriginally posted by laoda99:If u are talking abt issues towards church doctrines e.g. sacrements such as baptism and why there are so many interpretations, I would rather not comment becoz they are minor issues. The main focus should always be on Christ, who is the only way for our salvation. The others are minor issues which can be sorted out.
If we, as Christians, do not hold that the bible is inerrant, there would be no basis of our faith. Same as people from the other faiths. They would not have believed their own scriptures if they dun think it is inerrant.
Not true. Buddhists will tell you it doesn't matter if their Scripture is not inerrant. Any Buddhists care to comment? -
Faith and works do not contradict each other my fren.Originally posted by Icemoon:This is silly, no offense, but are you suggesting the Counseller is there only when the verse deals with Christ? So when the verse is about sacrements and most notably faith vs works, the Counseller suddenly fades away
Works is a result of having faith, not the other way round. A Christian should always emulate Christ and let his actions shown he cared for his brothers.
For sacraments, it is a minor issue. Faith and salvation thru Christ alone is more important than how u were baptised. -
Nah, we don't believe in flaming.Originally posted by Icemoon:aiyoh my friend, you better edit your reply .. so dangerous .. full of holes.
Wait someone asks you if the Holy Spirit is the counsellor, how come there are so many interpretations?
then you suck thumb says Martin Luther had the Holy Spirit and the RC didn't .. and risked flamed by the RCs here
Martin Luther was not wrong to reform the church. Unfortunately, he did it the wrong way. An today we have shattered body of Christ. What a great scandal. -
Haha .. the Church has shattered greatly since the first schism.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Martin Luther was not wrong to reform the church. Unfortunately, he did it the wrong way. An today we have shattered body of Christ. What a great scandal.
Hmm .. got correct or wrong way one meh? What is the correct way then? -
I will give you the marks for the two paragraphs. As for the third one, I'd like to question your understanding of sacraments.Originally posted by laoda99:Faith and works do not contradict each other my fren.
Works is a result of having faith, not the other way round. A Christian should always emulate Christ and let his actions shown he cared for his brothers.
For sacraments, it is a minor issue. Faith and salvation thru Christ alone is more important than how u were baptised. -
You are still skipping the issue.Originally posted by laoda99:Faith and works do not contradict each other my fren.
Works is a result of having faith, not the other way round. A Christian should always emulate Christ and let his actions shown he cared for his brothers.
I never say they contradict, but why, if the Counsellor is there, they take so long to sort it out? There has been much argument going on since the Reformation.
I don't see the guidance at all. -
Yah, Jesus did not say "drink this wine in remembrance of me" for nothing.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:I will give you the marks for the two paragraphs. As for the third one, I'd like to question your understanding of sacraments.
You think He has nothing better to say? Going to be crucified liao so every word must be very important. -
i'm not buddhist, but from what i've learnt close to 20 years ago from mandatory religious knowledge classes.. they wouldnt care that much abt it..Originally posted by Icemoon:Not true. Buddhists will tell you it doesn't matter if their Scripture is not inerrant. Any Buddhists care to comment?
if u have heard of Ji Gong, he was judged simply by his good deeds and not by the fact that he's an alcoholic who loved dog meat.. -
such reasoning is "circular" at best.. without addressing the question..Originally posted by laoda99:One word: faith.
As Christians, we have the holy spirit as our counsellor. The holy spirit will not contradict the word of GOD.
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If u are talking abt issues towards church doctrines e.g. sacrements such as baptism and why there are so many interpretations, I would rather not comment becoz they are minor issues. The main focus should always be on Christ, who is the only way for our salvation. The others are minor issues which can be sorted out.
Minor issues ? Then wat r major issues ? U know the cult johova witness or something, who also love god and christ probably have many "minor" issues as well but they r labeled as cult, not religion.If we, as Christians, do not hold that the bible is inerrant, there would be no basis of our faith. Same as people from the other faiths. They would not have believed their own scriptures if they dun think it is inerrant.
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it is becoz u are not a Christian my fren.Originally posted by Icemoon:You are still skipping the issue.
I never say they contradict, but why, if the Counsellor is there, they take so long to sort it out? There has been much argument going on since the Reformation.
I don't see the guidance at all.
east-west great schism, reformation.....but one truth holds.....faith in Christ as the only way for salvation...
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aiyoh .. he already said the part about grace over law right? if you have something against that, please say it and not keep harping on the same question which theyalready given you the ans.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If it was inerrant, then why aren't u following the laws in the attachment ?
and if you want my straightforward ans - he is not a Jew so he need not follow the 613 commandments. -
In reformed perspective, we do this in remembrance of Christ, but it is symbolic.Originally posted by Icemoon:Yah, Jesus did not say "drink this wine in remembrance of me" for nothing.
You think He has nothing better to say? Going to be crucified liao so every word must be very important.
I believed that whether Consubstantion, Transubstation, Symbolic... we all do this in rememberance of Christ. These are but small issues compared to belief in Christ for salvation. -
my god .. you are skipping the question again.Originally posted by laoda99:it is becoz u are not a Christian my fren.
east-west great schism, reformation.....but one truth holds.....faith in Christ as the only way for salvation...
i would like to be lor so again: We are one unified body of Christ.
Is this all you can muster?
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I do not know much abt buddhism, but a faith to quote with regards to irraency is IslamOriginally posted by earthlings73:i'm not buddhist, but from what i've learnt close to 20 years ago from mandatory religious knowledge classes.. they wouldnt care that much abt it..
if u have heard of Ji Gong, he was judged simply by his good deeds and not by the fact that he's an alcoholic who loved dog meat..
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I'm always intrigued how come Luther's and Calvin's understanding of the Eucharist is different.Originally posted by laoda99:In reformed perspective, we do this in remembrance of Christ, but it is symbolic.
I believed that whether Consubstantion, Transubstation, Symbolic... we all do this in rememberance of Christ.
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and if you want my straightforward ans - he is not a Jew so he need not follow the 613 commandments
christian have to follow the OT too since it is mentioned by jesus himself the OT laws should be kept. -
sorry...can u put ur qn again in simpler terms?Originally posted by Icemoon:my god .. you are skipping the question again.
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use your brain use your brain .. aiyoh ..Originally posted by stupidissmart:christian have to follow the OT too since it is mentioned by jesus himself the OT laws should be kept.
may i ask who was the audience Jesus was speaking to?