To follow or not to follow the law?
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Do you understand the xtian position or not? Concepts like justification, redemption, regeneration etc.? If not, get someone more qualified [than me] to explain to you. Or you can start a topic and solicit some comments.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Under isn't tat falling ino the first category tat god hasn't forgiven men of their sins and tat is why he still keep on with the punishment. If I have reallly forgiven someone, I will stop all form of punishment to himWhy does the ida of broken limb comes into the picture
You get to inherit a new body first to enjoy eternal life. You won't want to live forever with a broken leg. Anyway I see it more as a spiritual body, not physical. That explains why the effect is not instantaneous.And wat is so bad with tat ? I thought tat is the idea of evangelising ? To get more people to believe in god isn't it ?
Personally, I'm more inclined towards the Reformed position. I believe we don't choose God. I'm sorry, but God is not an orphan you choose to adopt among all the orphans (read: other gods) in the orphanage.
A lot of christian become christian because they want eternal life isn't it ? Aren't they the same as "my date with a vampire" ?
Hmm .. don't think so. They became xtian 'cos of the work of Christ on the cross. -
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agreesOriginally posted by laoda99:Think some of the pple here had asked whether we should follow the law since we have grace thru Christ. This is quite a touchy issue for a lot of people who like to question whether Christ had superceded and nullified all the laws in the OT.
My opinion is: When GOD has given us his grace thru Christ, Christ had fulfilled the law for us. The law is just a tool/benchmark for us, not a solution. Christ is the solution. We obey GOD's law not becoz we fear him, but out of love for him, becoz GOD so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whoever believe in him should not perish but have ever lasting life.
I believe anyone who loves GOD would not find himself troubled by whether he should keep those laws, but how/what he can do to emulate Christ and to help others. Nobody can keep the laws completely, but we do it out of love and obedience to GOD, not out of fear. -
Do you understand the xtian position or not? Concepts like justification, redemption, regeneration etc.? If not, get someone more qualified [than me] to explain to you. Or you can start a topic and solicit some comments.
Frankly u didn't really answer the question I had posed. Why r u afraid to answer tat question ?You get to inherit a new body first to enjoy eternal life. You won't want to live forever with a broken leg. Anyway I see it more as a spiritual body, not physical. That explains why the effect is not instantaneous.
Why need a new body ? If u got a broken leg then let god fix it for u. I see the punishment to adam as physical, which mention physical death and pain in pregnancy. Why suddenly he punish u by making something physical while u think he relieve u by non-physical onePersonally, I'm more inclined towards the Reformed position. I believe we don't choose God. I'm sorry, but God is not an orphan you choose to adopt among all the orphans (read: other gods) in the orphanage.
then why evangelise. Does tat means u don't believe in evangelising ?Hmm .. don't think so. They became xtian 'cos of the work of Christ on the cross
From the many replies I see, u got to admit there r a lot of christians who really believe, to get eternal life. Isn't tat like "a date with a vampire" ? -
You didn't have the proper foundation to begin with. We only be constructing strawmen this way.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Frankly u didn't really answer the question I had posed. Why r u afraid to answer tat question ?Why need a new body ? If u got a broken leg then let god fix it for u. I see the punishment to adam as physical, which mention physical death and pain in pregnancy. Why suddenly he punish u by making something physical while u think he relieve u by non-physical one
Told you liao. You need to wait until judgement day and all that. Why do you seemingly ignore the rest of the bible and eschatology? From all you replies, I can really see you do not have a proper foundation. If you want to discuss/argue/debunk Scripture based on Scripture, then pls have a proper foundation. You are always debunking Scripture based on your [non-existence] foundation of Scripture which you pretend to have.then why evangelise. Does tat means u don't believe in evangelising ?
They still need to hear the Word. Can't be idea suddenly pop in their heads.From the many replies I see, u got to admit there r a lot of christians who really believe, to get eternal life. Isn't tat like "a date with a vampire" ?
Which replies you read ignore the work of Christ and advertise "come come .. come to church to get eternal life" sort of thing?
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The question about abortion is not whether or not it is a religious matter, although pro-abortion advocates would like to claim so.Originally posted by laurence82:Define good?
For example, abortion is a huge issue in US. I know in Catholicism, abortion is forbidden. But the rest of the society supports abortion, and they have strong points for it too.
So we should allow the Catholic views to take over simply becos we want to mix religion with poltical governance?
It is more an ethical and scientific issue. With advances in medical science, we can prove that the foetus is a living being. While an embryo does not 'look' like a human being, we also note that an acorn does not look like a oak tree. The fact is that the 'humanness' or essence of being human is potential inside the embryo. This is basic Aristotelian ethics. A thing is one of kind or it isn't. Its essence does not change.
The Catholic position is ultimately one for freedom, since it recognises an objective 'natural law' and takes away from legislative and judicial bodies the ability/power to arbitrarily decide on issues like 'how many weeks old before a foetus can be considered human, and therefore entitled to the same rights'.
Think about it. What would stop such bodies, under suitable circumstances, to say that people with 1 arm only are not human, or that people with yellow skin colour are not human? -
The matter is a religious issue in the sense a religious authority is stepping in and advocate a non abortion stance ,according to their own values and ethical system.Originally posted by siginah:The question about abortion is not whether or not it is a religious matter, although pro-abortion advocates would like to claim so.
It is more an ethical and scientific issue. With advances in medical science, we can prove that the foetus is a living being. While an embryo does not 'look' like a human being, we also note that an acorn does not look like a oak tree. The fact is that the 'humanness' or essence of being human is potential inside the embryo. This is basic Aristotelian ethics. A thing is one of kind or it isn't. Its essence does not change.
The Catholic position is ultimately one for freedom, since it recognises an objective 'natural law' and takes away from legislative and judicial bodies the ability/power to arbitrarily decide on issues like 'how many weeks old before a foetus can be considered human, and therefore entitled to the same rights'.
Think about it. What would stop such bodies, under suitable circumstances, to say that people with 1 arm only are not human, or that people with yellow skin colour are not human?
The government on the other hand, not only has to look from an ethical perspective, but from a practical point of view. Contraception and abortion are badly need to curb rising number of HIV virus and unwanted birth, especially in Africa, India and China. -
You didn't have the proper foundation to begin with. We only be constructing strawmen this way.
Is strawman the only thing u can say
The definition of strawman is basically
The straw-man rhetorical technique is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer.
When i ask a question, is tat refuting or offering any weaker arguments u offered ? U mean answering question is gonna construct strawman ?Told you liao. You need to wait until judgement day and all that. Why do you seemingly ignore the rest of the bible and eschatology? From all you replies, I can really see you do not have a proper foundation. If you want to discuss/argue/debunk Scripture based on Scripture, then pls have a proper foundation. You are always debunking Scripture based on your [non-existence] foundation of Scripture which you pretend to have.
As said before, WHY does it have to wait untill judgement day ? GOD punish us by giving us PHYSICAL death. HE claims we r forgiven but the punishment CONTINUES. U r not even answering the questionThey still need to hear the Word. Can't be idea suddenly pop in their heads.
Wat is the objecive of them hearing the word ? To make more believers isn't it ?Which replies you read ignore the work of Christ and advertise "come come .. come to church to get eternal life" sort of thing?
I am surprised at your reply
Even kangaroo keep on stressing "God loves you", "Jesus loves you" that kind of thing.
Basically almost EVERY webpage tat I come across to evangelise people have the term "eternal life" in it. I can put 10 right here now
http://www.pcanet.org/general/eternal.htm
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/2_heaven.htm
http://www.insearchofheaven.com/
http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/swaziland/76/
http://www.piedmontcommunities.us/servlet/go_ProcServ/dbpage=page&gid=01261001151005701278124655
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/eternal.htm
http://www.thesecretofeternallife.com/
http://www.soundofgrace.com/piper80/083180m.htm
http://www.believers.org/believe/bel217.htm
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/afterlife/eternal_life_eom.htm
In fact almost all christian webpages tells us how to get eternal life/salvation because tat is really one of the key moltivation for being christian. Is tat fact so hard to accept ? -
for goodness sake, don't always quote from wiki .. you know it is not very authoritative in a sense. At least look at more strawman definitons. I give you another one (http://www.skepticfiles.org/conspire/strawman.htm) -Originally posted by stupidissmart:Is strawman the only thing u can say The definition of strawman is basically
The straw-man rhetorical technique is the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents actually offer.
When i ask a question, is tat refuting or offering any weaker arguments u offered ? U mean answering question is gonna construct strawman ?A "strawman argument" or simply a "strawman" is a flimsy argument which
You don't only ask a question. It is not that simple. If you read your replies, most of them carried some assumptions, which are not the xtian position. Then you challenged us based on those assumptions. This is very evident in our Trinity discussion.
is created only to be "knocked down".
The term is sometimes used to refer to simplified arguments which are
then demolished to understand exactly where they fall apart. What is
learned in the process may then be applied to a related, more
sophisticated argument, either to show how it may be similarly
demolished or to illustrate its relative strength.
More frequently the term comes up in relation to phony, easily
countered arguments which are attributed in debate to an opponent and
then demolished -- thereby "proving" that the opponent's claims are
empty.
Example: Creationists disprove evolution by attributing the claim to it
that monkeys will sometimes give birth to human babies, which is false,
and therefore evolution is false. Since nothing claimed by most
evolutionists implies such a thing, this is a counter-argument to a
strawman.
In short, you miscontrue the xtian position and turned it into a strawman. -
I challenge you back - why is there judgement day in the first place? If Scripture is gonna make some sense to you ..Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said before, WHY does it have to wait untill judgement day ? GOD punish us by giving us PHYSICAL death. HE claims we r forgiven but the punishment CONTINUES. U r not even answering the question
If Scripture is one load of crap, then we can cease discussion.Wat is the objecive of them hearing the word ? To make more believers isn't it ?
Yah, though that is a simplistic explanation.
I am surprised at your reply Basically almost EVERY webpage tat I come across to evangelise people have the term "eternal life" in it. I can put 10 right here now
Yes, every website should have a webpage on eternal life since this is very much part of the xtian belief. But there are other beliefs too, why do you emphasize eternal life to the exclusion of others? Others like admitting of sins, understand God's love, blah blah ..
Moreover you said it last time - salvation is not "free" in the sense there are extra baggages - like you must tithe, you must accept Jesus as Lord etc. Do xtians ignore all these? Even during altar call, the first prayer the congregation prayed for the new believers focuses on self-admission of sins and the work of Christ etc. Please don't make me accuse you of strawman again, very tired liao.
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ok ... i am going going to use the term strawman to my professor the next time he gives me some crap logic!
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aiyoh .. dun gei kiang leh .. profs have phd one .. their logic can't be that bad to begin with .. especially philo proffies .. hahaOriginally posted by ben1xy:ok ... i am going going to use the term strawman to my professor the next time he gives me some crap logic! -
no la .. they really have crap logic... i am in economics la... so maybe the profs there arent as smart as philo profs lolOriginally posted by Icemoon:aiyoh .. dun gei kiang leh .. profs have phd one .. their logic can't be that bad to begin with .. especially philo proffies .. haha -
well .. u can't trust economists right?Originally posted by ben1xy:no la .. they really have crap logic... i am in economics la... so maybe the profs there arent as smart as philo profs lol -
u can trust me thoughOriginally posted by Icemoon:well .. u can't trust economists right? -
Actually I'm not againsty religious harmony. I don't think any rational Christian should.Originally posted by laurence82:hmm cant seems to be able to go into that webby
anyone can try going?
http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=religious+harmony+act+chick&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&vst=0&vs=www.chick.com
this is nearest i can get to the article, try clicking on the links to get u there
even then, u can know what it is by the titles...
In my opinion, the best way to preach is not talking down others but to be a living testimony of your own beliefs. It is far better to walk the talk. I believe many have mentioned this point in EH. And if I may speak for all, this is what most of us suscribe to.
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but still need to spread the gospel right?Originally posted by sillyme:In my opinion, the best way to preach is not talking down others but to be a living testimony of your own beliefs.
will "living testimony of own beliefs" help others to receive salvation? they see you as good after all, but may not see your point about Christ. -
You don't only ask a question. It is not that simple. If you read your replies, most of them carried some assumptions, which are not the xtian position. Then you challenged us based on those assumptions. This is very evident in our Trinity discussion.
If u have problem with the assumptions, then u voiced it out and let me see if it is wrong or not. If u didn't voice it out then frankly I canot see why u refute it without giving any explanation or just claim "strawman" and get away with explaining anything
In short, you miscontrue the xtian position and turned it into a strawman.I challenge you back - why is there judgement day in the first place? If Scripture is gonna make some sense to you ..
U r giving a strawman now
If Scripture is one load of crap, then we can cease discussion. Again u r avoiding the question
GOD punish us by giving us PHYSICAL death. HE claims we r forgiven but the punishment CONTINUES
is judgement day an important issue here ? Does the above question need to have judgement day to be int he picture ? I don't believe tat there is judgement day in the sense tat suddenly god appear and devil appear and bla bla bla but I believe mankind inevitable will end one day, much like the sun will die and galaxy fade. Does tat answer your question ?Yes, every website should have a webpage on eternal life since this is very much part of the xtian belief. But there are other beliefs too, why do you emphasize eternal life to the exclusion of others? Others like admitting of sins, understand God's love, blah blah ..
As said before, christianity emphasis on eternal life. I did not say it do nto emphasis on others issue but an important point to be a believer is to receive eternal life. And there r probably many believers who r tempted to be believers because of tat. U r the one tat put a strawman to claim tat ALL THINGS important to christians r eternal life, which is something I never claim. In short u have put in a strawman hereMoreover you said it last time - salvation is not "free" in the sense there are extra baggages - like you must tithe, you must accept Jesus as Lord etc. Do xtians ignore all these? Even during altar call, the first prayer the congregation prayed for the new believers focuses on self-admission of sins and the work of Christ etc. Please don't make me accuse you of strawman again, very tired liao.
Tis is again another strawman Did I, or the thread ever care if u must tilth or carry extra baggages ? In fact why does christian cary all these extra baggages ? To receive slavation and eternal life !
I say tat there r many christians who believes to receive eternal life. I show tat eternal life is an important and often spoken moltivation when it comes to evangalising. And as such, they r really christians believing just to get blessed forever. I never state tat jesus loves is not important, I never say tat u do not have to carry extra baggages, i never claim tat all the other issues r not important. U r the one who put up these strawmen so tat u can refute me dumbly. And u never even talk about the issue at hand which is whether christians r molticvated to be believers to receive eternal life. -
you refuse to hear. You just brushed them aside.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If u have problem with the assumptions, then u voiced it out and let me see if it is wrong or not. If u didn't voice it out then frankly I canot see why u refute it without giving any explanation or just claim "strawman" and get away with explaining anythingis judgement day an important issue here ? Does the above question need to have judgement day to be int he picture ? I don't believe tat there is judgement day in the sense tat suddenly god appear and devil appear and bla bla bla but I believe mankind inevitable will end one day, much like the sun will die and galaxy fade. Does tat answer your question ?
Yah .. ans my question - that you differ too much in your belief. I mean, a Jew can still debate about bible 'cos they share many fundamental assumptions about God. You, on the other hand, differ too much to the point Scripture means nothing to you. I see no point in further discussions.As said before, christianity emphasis on eternal life. I did not say it do nto emphasis on others issue but an important point to be a believer is to receive eternal life. And there r probably many believers who r tempted to be believers because of tat. U r the one tat put a strawman to claim tat ALL THINGS important to christians r eternal life, which is something I never claim. In short u have put in a strawman here
I see .. I never claimed that eternal life is not a belief .. so why did you get so agitated and gave me so many websites on eternal life?
Beside .. you did argue eternal life is everything to a believer. The things you wrote in bold suggested that (and that assertion is something you can't prove 'cos obviously you never hear enuff xtian testimony) and the example you gave was clear indication - pple wanna get bitten to be vampire to live forever. In My Date with a Vampire, pple wanna get bitten 'cos they want the power and ability to live forever.Tis is again another strawman Did I, or the thread ever care if u must tilth or carry extra baggages ? In fact why does christian cary all these extra baggages ? To receive slavation and eternal life !
Wah .. so you speak for the xtians now? Wow .. when did you become their spokesman? I argue that christian carry those extra baggages 'cos they are moved by God's love for them. It is written "FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD .. " and not "for you shall not die and live forever 'cos god so love the world". You see the difference in emphasis?I say tat there r many christians who believes to receive eternal life. I show tat eternal life is an important and often spoken moltivation when it comes to evangalising. And as such, they r really christians believing just to get blessed forever.
Wah .. believing just to get blessed forever? How you know? you were liddat in the past?I never state tat jesus loves is not important, I never say tat u do not have to carry extra baggages, i never claim tat all the other issues r not important. U r the one who put up these strawmen so tat u can refute me dumbly. And u never even talk about the issue at hand which is whether christians r molticvated to be believers to receive eternal life.
Well, since you clarify THE LOVE OF CHRIST ALSO IMPORTANT
, I shall not argue with you any further. Actually the question you asked cannot be determined unless you do an empirical study (but then I suppose xtians also paiseh to admit they believe 'cos they want eternal life?). But theology is quite clear on salvation, justification, imputation and regeneration - they are all due to the work of the Holy Spirit.
I dunno actually, maybe got some not very orthodox xtians stress eternal life over love of God. I'm not arguing that there aren't these kind of pple arnd, but I'm arguing this is not the majority case (according to your words in bold above).
Lastly, I apologise if I really created a strawman out of your argument.
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Need ..Originally posted by Icemoon:but still need to spread the gospel right?
will "living testimony of own beliefs" help others to receive salvation? they see you as good after all, but may not see your point about Christ.
If they can see God can make a difference in your life, they might start asking questions. Then that is when the "knocking" starts. Then that's how sharing can start
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dunno leh .. how many testimonies you hear are like that? See your goody goody friend or neighbour then you start asking questions?Originally posted by sillyme:Need ..
If they can see God can make a difference in your life, they might start asking questions. Then that is when the "knocking" starts. Then that's how sharing can start
i always tot most are proactive approach. Someone tells you the word of God or you chanced to read the bible that kind of thing .. -
interestingly ... the people that i bring to church are people that i dun share the gospel with... but they know i am catholic.
people that i share with ... always brush it aside
i guess its really up to God bah
but by being a living testimony surely helps -
you refuse to hear. You just brushed them aside.
Okie I am hearing now. Wat is it ?Yah .. ans my question - that you differ too much in your belief. I mean, a Jew can still debate about bible 'cos they share many fundamental assumptions about God. You, on the other hand, differ too much to the point Scripture means nothing to you. I see no point in further discussions.
From your reply it can be seen tat the scripture means something to u isn't it ? If u believe in the bible, which u really should since u believe in christianity, then u should really believe tat the bible make logical sense. All I ask is a logical question. U don't need me to be a believer to answer a question on logicsBeside .. you did argue eternal life is everything to a believer. The things you wrote in bold suggested that (and that assertion is something you can't prove 'cos obviously you never hear enuff xtian testimony) and the example you gave was clear indication - pple wanna get bitten to be vampire to live forever. In My Date with a Vampire, pple wanna get bitten 'cos they want the power and ability to live forever.
Another strawman. I said to "many" believers and "a lot" of believers. I did not say it meant everything to all believers.
Did I say eternal life is everything to a believer ? i have been saying tat eternal life is one primary moltivation to be a christian. Otherwise why do u need to go to church or tilth ? U might as well stay at home and do the things u have been wanting to do. People do all these, in fact openly do all these, to seek salvation. Otherwise u can just be a non-believer and live happily ever after. They r really wanna get bitten to live forever.Wah .. so you speak for the xtians now? Wow .. when did you become their spokesman? I argue that christian carry those extra baggages 'cos they are moved by God's love for them. It is written "FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD .. " and not "for you shall not die and live forever 'cos god so love the world". You see the difference in emphasis?
I can safely say tat people carry all the baggage to plainly receive salvation. from this website
http://www.pcanet.org/general/eternal.htm
Are you positive you will live with Him in heaven forever? Suppose you were in an accident. At the gate of heaven you are asked: "Why should you be admitted?" What would you say?
The Bible says: "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
Isn't eternal life emphasis here ?
http://www.insearchofheaven.com/
Welcome Kindred Spirits,
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Most of us have heard that Jesus is in Heaven with God and the angels and that Heaven is a place to go and see, but ... only after you die. Alright, one of the ultimate questions would then be, "how can anyone see or experience Heaven after they're dead, since we're taught when you die, everything ceases to exist?" Or ... does it?
We have also been taught Heaven is somewhere out there, maybe in the cosmos, and this is where you need to go in order to receive your happiness, joy, love and Eternal Life you're seeking. Because of this, we're also told Heaven is a place worth striving for. However, what's the use in striving for something that is elusive as the cosmos where it is intangible, invisible and unseen? Or ... is it?
Isn't eternal life emphasis here again ?
In fact for a lot of other sites (to prevent the page from being too long), their emphasis is more on eternal life than on god love for the world. If god is really loving the world, he shouldn't nitpick, be fair to everyone and let them go to heaven directWah .. believing just to get blessed forever? How you know? you were liddat in the past?
Instead of asking these irrelevant questions, why not u come out and tell me straight in the face tat I am wrong about the lines. U r really distracting people from the main point tat a portion, if not a majority portion of christians believe just to get salvation.I dunno actually, maybe got some not very orthodox xtians stress eternal life over love of God. I'm not arguing that there aren't these kind of pple arnd, but I'm arguing this is not the majority case (according to your words in bold above).
Then aren't these people the same as "my date with the vampire" and believing just to get eternal life ? If u ask my opinion, I really believe majority of the people believing and performing good deeds etc just to reach eternal life. -
they received Christ eventually? hmm .. why would anyone go church out of the spur?Originally posted by ben1xy:interestingly ... the people that i bring to church are people that i dun share the gospel with... but they know i am catholic. -
The questions you asked was not a logical question. God had a choice right? Moreover Scripture also never claim your body suddenly transformed when you receive salvation. So what you suggested are just your fantasy.Originally posted by stupidissmart:All I ask is a logical question. U don't need me to be a believer to answer a question on logicsDid I say eternal life is everything to a believer ? i have been saying tat eternal life is one primary moltivation to be a christian. Otherwise why do u need to go to church or tilth ? U might as well stay at home and do the things u have been wanting to do. People do all these, in fact openly do all these, to seek salvation. Otherwise u can just be a non-believer and live happily ever after. They r really wanna get bitten to live forever.
You sounds quite contradictory with your words in bold - which strongly suggest people receive salvation (get bitten in your analogy) to live forever. Actually, when you receive Christ, you have your salvation. You don't go church and tithe your whole life to seek your salvation. You should already be a Christian before you do those things (tithe, Lord's Supper etc.). So your argument here is not correct.I can safely say tat people carry all the baggage to plainly receive salvation. from this website
Once again, you should already be baptised before your carry Christian specific baggage like Lord's Supper and tithing.The Bible says: "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
Nope. The one that is emphasized is Jesus Christ. The sentence starts with "God so loved the world". Interestingly eternal life are the last two words - after the words God, loved, Son, believes ..
Isn't eternal life emphasis here ?http://www.insearchofheaven.com/
The origin of the website is dubious. Don't think is Christian website. 'cos the website actually wrote "In Search of Heaven, the Eternal Life" is a universal book for all people of all faiths around the world; whether you're Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Catholic, Mormon, Jew, Atheist, or alike, it does not matter for we all belong to the same family of man, and thus are all created equal."
Isn't eternal life emphasis here again ?In fact for a lot of other sites (to prevent the page from being too long), their emphasis is more on eternal life than on god love for the world. If god is really loving the world, he shouldn't nitpick, be fair to everyone and let them go to heaven direct
You desperate liao issit? Fancy quoting from a dubious website and impersonating as Christian website?
So is God loving the world or not? make up your mind leh .. hahaU r really distracting people from the main point tat a portion, if not a majority portion of christians believe just to get salvation.
Don't think you are suitable to comment the reason for people accepting Christ. First, obviously you not been to church often, not hearing many testimonies, and you don't share fundamental assumptions with the Christians.
You can keep that as a personal opinion - that's fine with us as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I think you're trying to elevate that into an argument.Then aren't these people the same as "my date with the vampire" and believing just to get eternal life ? If u ask my opinion, I really believe majority of the people believing and performing good deeds etc just to reach eternal life.
Yah .. you can keep that as your own [misguided] opinion .. thank you.