Preaching effectively to non-believers
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i agree with you manz..... but alot of other Christians dun see eye to eye on these issues with me.....Originally posted by laoda99:Just to clear up some doubts, simply by Baptism or going to Church doesn't mean one is saved. One is saved only when he is convinced that Christ died for us becoz he loved us.
Christians are humans and fallible like anyone of us. When one become a Christian, one should try to do his best to emulate Christ's love and forgiveness. I believed not just Christians, but pple of other faith have bad eggs also.
I think approach is very important. The image of Christians have been tarnished by some who is not tactful in dealing with people. I too viewed Christians as belonged to some exclusive club b4 I become a believer. Now I just see Christians as any ordinary people who have their faults too. Nobody's perfect. We should try to give and take, forgive and forget.
cheers and I'll remember ur encouragement to go church more regular...
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I wont use the word 'mandatory', it is too strong a word. I would use 'encouraged'. Church is the only place where believers can have communion and encourage one another.Originally posted by dragg:for christians it is mandatory to go. -
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pai sey pai seyOriginally posted by f.1:hey l82... i dunno tat word lei - waldensian
and i dun tink i am like tat as u mentioned... 'm just a lazy person who tends to believe in GOD as a greater being than us miniscule humans....
hee hee... i believe got quite alot of people out there also similar position as me lah... we just dun rush into religion as a fervour... tend to take it lazy and slow.... tho no good in the eyes of the religious but i can't b bothered with their opinions...
just picked up a book on cults, from the early pagan ones to christian cults to the modern charismatic or death cults
On the topic of christian cults, it just assume, but not believe, the original Christian theology foundation was laid out by Constantine at the Council of Nicaea and St Augustine.
So the rest is considered cults, like arianism, waldensians whose heirs are the calvinists, manichaesim, etc etc
But i believe i am digressing -
No prob, if u need advice we have a lot of people here who can give u sound advice too. Just dun let ur faith go down can? It is not easy to build up one's faith but easy to lose faith when things are not going ur way.Originally posted by f.1:i agree with you manz..... but alot of other Christians dun see eye to eye on these issues with me.....
cheers and I'll remember ur encouragement to go church more regular...
Have u ever wonder why ur christian friends dun see eye to eye with u? What kinda issues were u discussing with them? -
becoz i lazy lah...Originally posted by laoda99:No prob, if u need advice we have a lot of people here who can give u sound advice too. Just dun let ur faith go down can? It is not easy to build up one's faith but easy to lose faith when things are not going ur way.
Have u ever wonder why ur christian friends dun see eye to eye with u? What kinda issues were u discussing with them?
but nvrmind, let's not tok abt me anymore.... too draggy topic liao... -
wah... u really seem 2 be quite well-read eh abt such "serious" topics... religion, law, business etc...Originally posted by laurence82:pai sey pai sey
just picked up a book on cults, from the early pagan ones to christian cults to the modern charismatic or death cults
On the topic of christian cults, it just assume, but not believe, the original Christian theology foundation was laid out by Constantine at the Council of Nicaea and St Augustine.
So the rest is considered cults, like arianism, waldensians whose heirs are the calvinists, manichaesim, etc etc
But i believe i am digressing
i better keep your contact in my pockets in case one day i join "want to be a millionaire?" then i can call u as a lifeline.... ha ha
but really, u an arts person? -
Many ways to preach but always remember Romans 12:3, "For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. "
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Dun denounce other religion.. It pisses me off more than anything... I was approached once by this guy who said it's stupid to worship idols mad of clay, etc.. I told him if he wants to convince me, make money fall from the sky and I'll believe you..
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har?Originally posted by f.1:wah... u really seem 2 be quite well-read eh abt such "serious" topics... religion, law, business etc...
i better keep your contact in my pockets in case one day i join "want to be a millionaire?" then i can call u as a lifeline.... ha ha
but really, u an arts person?
erm, approach me if u want to be beggar, seriously......
hmm, i read everything i can get hold of, but i dont read in depth unless i am quite interested in it
this particular book i just said is just reading for fun, not as a serious study.....
i believe others like icemoon, chin eng or laoda could give you more indepth knowledge on christianity... -
u will probably believe in the $$$ only, becoz it is the only thing u have seen, haha....just kidding....Originally posted by Misogynist:Dun denounce other religion.. It pisses me off more than anything... I was approached once by this guy who said it's stupid to worship idols mad of clay, etc.. I told him if he wants to convince me, make money fall from the sky and I'll believe you.. -
I'll disagree with the part about baptism. God gave us baptism for a reason. But that's a story for another day.Originally posted by f.1:i agree with you manz..... but alot of other Christians dun see eye to eye on these issues with me.....
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Sounds like some Protestant friends who keep asking me why Catholics worship statues.Originally posted by Misogynist:Dun denounce other religion.. It pisses me off more than anything... I was approached once by this guy who said it's stupid to worship idols mad of clay, etc.. I told him if he wants to convince me, make money fall from the sky and I'll believe you.. -
with regards to baptism, does a protestant require rebaptism should he converted to catholism? (e.g. Cardinal Newman, was he rebaptised?)Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:I'll disagree with the part about baptism. God gave us baptism for a reason. But that's a story for another day. -
Wo are you referring to when you say "non believers"? What is your definition of a "non believer"?
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hmm....dun mean to upset u if i used a term which u do not agree...Originally posted by shade343:Wo are you referring to when you say "non believers"? What is your definition of a "non believer"?
what i meant was non-christian....hope to clarify with u in this matter -
In case you were wondering, those baptised in other churches need not be baptised again. This is of course subjected to a number of factors not limited to,Originally posted by laoda99:with regards to baptism, does a protestant require rebaptism should he converted to catholism? (e.g. Cardinal Newman, was he rebaptised?)
1) The formula used (I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit)
2) The intention (whether one is willing to be baptised in the first place.)
Of course, sometimes there are grey areas, hence a need for an interview by the parish priest.
Nah, Cardinal Newman wasn't baptised again. He just made a statement of loyalty, that's all. -
is it the same in catholic church, whereby only baptised believers can partake in holy communion?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:In case you were wondering, those baptised in other churches need not be baptised again. This is of course subjected to a number of factors not limited to,
1) The formula used (I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit)
2) The intention (whether one is willing to be baptised in the first place.)
Of course, sometimes there are grey areas, hence a need for an interview by the parish priest.
Nah, Cardinal Newman wasn't baptised again. He just made a statement of loyalty, that's all. -
Nono, Im not offended in anyway....but I want to know when christians use this term, do they follow your definition or what?Originally posted by laoda99:hmm....dun mean to upset u if i used a term which u do not agree...
what i meant was non-christian....hope to clarify with u in this matter -
good to hear you are not offended....i think most christians meant the same way as me when they use the term, not derogatory in any wayOriginally posted by shade343:Nono, Im not offended in anyway....but I want to know when christians use this term, do they follow your definition or what? -
Only baptised Catholics may recieve the sacrament of Eucharist. The Eucharist is a Sacrament of Unity.Originally posted by laoda99:is it the same in catholic church, whereby only baptised believers can partake in holy communion? -
Actually....is there a need to use such a term at all? I mean, when people labels others as a "Non-believer", it makes them sound a bit arrogant.Originally posted by laoda99:good to hear you are not offended....i think most christians meant the same way as me when they use the term, not derogatory in any way -
but if they don't believe, we cannot possibly call them christians right?Originally posted by shade343:Actually....is there a need to use such a term at all? I mean, when people labels others as a "Non-believer", it makes them sound a bit arrogant.
at least we dont use the word 'infidel' like in olden times
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then use what label?Originally posted by shade343:Actually....is there a need to use such a term at all? I mean, when people labels others as a "Non-believer", it makes them sound a bit arrogant. -
dont believe what?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:but if they don't believe, we cannot possibly call them christians right?
at least we dont use the word 'infidel' like in olden times