something to ask the christian frens here..
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Just an illustration:Originally posted by earthlings73:Nah.. Coersion is not something the Buddhist encourage..
Buddha himself said that "believe only those principles that will help you in life".. They operated using principles.. In contrast with the rules book by Christianity..
Hence, Guan Yin will not sak you not to listen to Jesus.. She will encourage you to think for yourself..
Remember Ji Gong.. He ate meat and drink wine.. But then he's still a deity because of his good deeds.. not because he did not follow the precepts from Buddha..
At the end of the day.. What's important is the deeds themselves mah.. not whether you follow the strictures or not.. -
ya.. probably true. but neither does christianity, Jesus never go around saying, you MUST obey me. he would say, believe me, and you shall gain eternal life. hell or heaven.. well, your choice, i respect your decision.Originally posted by earthlings73:Hence, Guan Yin will not sak you not to listen to Jesus.. She will encourage you to think for yourself..
dats why God didn't go screw up Rome before they convert to Christianity.
but.. thats why He is the son of God. can't say the same for many Christians. been through many annoying ones before. dats the reason why i don't go around psycho ppl, but rather choose to explain (both wus the foundation and wus my real real real opinion on things) and let them see wad fits them, if they ask. besides, i still have many questions about this and that.. imo, i'd prefer quality over quantity.
den again, I think its the same for other religions. everyone just want to expand their areas of influence. it more of a political issue you know, than a religious one. i've also encountered aunties pushing my friend and me Buddhism cds before. and we were like.. whoa! my friend is taoist/buddism, and we get along just fine.
dun see me trying to force anything on him. -
different belief system mah.Originally posted by earthlings73:Just an illustration:
Remember Ji Gong.. He ate meat and drink wine.. But then he's still a deity because of his good deeds.. not because he did not follow the precepts from Buddha..
At the end of the day.. What's important is the deeds themselves mah.. not whether you follow the strictures or not..
actually its not only his good deeds, its his good intentions to perform good deeds. i think if u tell him he is gonna go to hell, he will still continue doing good deeds.
this is the part where the "salvation by faith" plays out oso.
goodness of actions shld be done out of pureness of intentions and not just to get to heaven and relax forever. AMEN. -
For yr info, Buddha, Guan Ying, Mohd all are human beings, they are different from Jesus, which is the Holy Trinity, meaning God . Buddhism is not a religion but it is a way of life telling u to do good deeds, so that u wont suffer in futureOriginally posted by earthlings73:Just an illustration:
Remember Ji Gong.. He ate meat and drink wine.. But then he's still a deity because of his good deeds.. not because he did not follow the precepts from Buddha..
At the end of the day.. What's important is the deeds themselves mah.. not whether you follow the strictures or not.. -
i see "salvation by faith" as similiar to chanting (in buddhism)..Originally posted by Ito_^:different belief system mah. actually its not only his good deeds, its his good intentions to perform good deeds. i think if u tell him he is gonna go to hell, he will still continue doing good deeds.
this is the part where the "salvation by faith" plays out oso.
goodness of actions shld be done out of pureness of intentions and not just to get to heaven and relax forever. AMEN.
what people fail to see is that, by praying or chanting, you are reminding yourself to do good deeds..
if you pray or chant without doing any good deeds, you will still end up in hell no matter what beliefs you have..
claming that jesus is the only one who can guarantee you a place in heaven is like "..." ah, dont know what words to use.. -
thanks, hate to see another topic ending up in flames.Originally posted by earthlings73:okay lar.. think i will soften my approach lar..
i gotten drawn into this simply bcos of the claim that christianity is the BETTER religion.. which is kind of egoistic mah.. trying to negate such thoughts..
esp when this thread is abt faith healing.. not a thread to preach mah.. =P
as a religion, its equal to the rest, but in a religion - its an all out war. its natural. blah blah blah.
so thats why the infighting over doctrines, as well as inter religious conflicts.
everyone is fighting for what we believe in - or coaxed to fight. whichever the case, passion is always available for all.
but for some people, if they can settle their next meal by visiting a temple or a church, its good nuff for em. -
nah.. shows that u r ignorant abt Buddhism..Originally posted by t_a_s:For yr info, Buddha, Guan Ying, Mohd all are human beings, they are different from Jesus, which is the Holy Trinity, meaning God . Buddhism is not a religion but it is a way of life telling u to do good deeds, so that u wont suffer in future
there are 6 realms..
Buddha had gained enlightenment and remove himself from the realm of human beings.. he is god-like (came remember the name they used).. But the concept of god in Buddhism and Christianity is very different though..
Dan Brown had just argued that Jesus is man too.. The holy status was given by Constantine when he turned Rome to Christianity.. -
Come to think of it, the gods of each religion never tell their followers not to disbelieve what other religion says. why is this so?Originally posted by Ito_^:Where got.. u say got can quote it out, and explain anot. Dun say got jiu got.. anyhow. Annoying leh.
And what if Lord Jesus Christ say, believe in him only, den Lord Guan Yin say, dun listen to Jesus, listen to me, den Lord Bhrama say dun listen others, listen to me oso.
How you gonna choose har?
The Bible is true, and the meaning must be constant even if the words are different. If you really want to know, you can go study the Bible in latin. And the original manuscripts etc. I believe the answer to this question will answer the above doubt.
The Bible is true but the contents has undergone so many changes...even the catholic and the christian have different bibles....
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Jesus is not= to GODOriginally posted by t_a_s:For yr info, Buddha, Guan Ying, Mohd all are human beings, they are different from Jesus, which is the Holy Trinity, meaning God . Buddhism is not a religion but it is a way of life telling u to do good deeds, so that u wont suffer in future
God is the Father the Creator
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miracle sometimes do happen, thru faith and not 100% as u said then we do need doctors any more. Thru prayers, faith, and god"s blessing, miracle can happenOriginally posted by Icemoon:Can you imagine if this kind of pastor starts a hospice or a home for handicapped, he will have no patients?
'cos anyone who goes in and believes in his miracle will be discharged within 3 days.
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Yes yes religion is man made. Im saying their teachings lead to GOD.Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually shade343, yes go read the koran... they are the only ones who talk about Jihad.. or holy war... which is never ever mentioned in the bible....
don't you get it... religion is MAN made not from GOD, that is why we have religious wars... because they are driven by man... GOD never told anyone to go to war except to the isrealites when they conquered the promise land... even in the time of the crusades and the spanish inquisition... all driven by mans evil desire, God had nothing to do with it. Nowhere did Jesus ever mention going to war... in fact He said in Romans 12:18
If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
GOD sent Jesus,buddha and other gods to differnet parts of the world in other to teach the people living in different parts of the world how to be good. So When I say all religions leads to god, I mean this.
Violence in the name of God was invented by man. That is why I say the contents of each religion's holy books may no longer be accurate. -
not exactly, fact is true believers still end up doing good anyways even if they are already guaranteed a place in heaven. thats the admirable part.Originally posted by earthlings73:i see "salvation by faith" as similiar to chanting (in buddhism)..
what people fail to see is that, by praying or chanting, you are reminding yourself to do good deeds..
if you pray or chant without doing any good deeds, you will still end up in hell no matter what beliefs you have..
claming that jesus is the only one who can guarantee you a place in heaven is like "..." ah, dont know what words to use..
as long a person has repented, that person is basically free from his bondage and has and will the full ability to do good. so if he just die right after he repent, its our misfortune to lose him.
but essentially, he has become good. a good man, whom never had a chance of doing good, is still good, for his intentions are pure and his actions did not bring harm. shld he at least have peace?
its the repenting part dats hard.. cannot jus say sorry de, muz truly repent for his misdeeds, and not to repent so he can get into heaven. just this rule alone, many will not qualify for heaven even if they are known as Christians. including me.
take hitler for example,
he may did many sinful acts, but if he truly repented before he dies, he regretted his actions and for all these he is willing to go to hell, for his sins.. voluntarily.
shld we forgive him?
many will not, but that is only because they have a sense of hatred towards his actions and not the act of repentance.
Buddha teaches not to dwell in hatred, and see the true light of things. this is the point where it spils.
if we dun have any hatred, we wld probably say, okay, forgiven, and therefore, mr. hitler, go and do good. suffering may or may not be there, its the works of good that matters, no? if he does suffer, its inevitable, but that was never the issue.
but damm, he died suddenly. there comes another two routes.
1. he kills himself so he doesn't have to trouble himself from working so he can go to heaven as easy as possible.
2. he dies, got killed unwillingly.
if option 1, den he will not have truly repent, but only did so to buy his way into heaven. whether he goes in or not, i dunnoe, ill get back to you after i die in the future.
if option 2, den he does truly repent but by the twist of events, he doesn't have a chance to put his new self into action. why would we want to condamm him, unless we just want him to suffer to satisfy our own hatred and anger.
thats why he goes to heaven. and even den, there may be more den this to determine if a person truely repent and receive Christ. i guess its one of those secret formulae that we mustn't know. state secrets u noe. -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:
so my dear shade343, what is the point of reincarnation?
Are you sure the bible is inaccurate? It is the word of God. Do not go there... the bible is accurate and IT IS THE WORD OF GOD. Becareful lest to bring the judgement of God on yourself.
Is that your only point? That there is inequality in the world... don't you know, that we are the problem for all these things and not God...
If you read the bible, God mentions so many times that He wants to do good for us... Jeremiah 29: 11-13
11 [b]For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
Because man sinned, we have suffering... if read Genesis, it tells the story... we initially had everything given to us.. but because we sinned, God banished man from the Garden of Eden. If you want to blame anyone for sin and suffering, then blame Satan or the devil, its his fault! Put the blame where the blame should be.[/b]
Satan was created by GOD.
So what are you trying to say?
Like I say, why do you think there is inequality? Its because of the law of karma. God puts you where you deserve to be. God decides how much suffering you deserve. The point of reincarnation is for people with karmic baggage to suffer. Life is Suffering. You suffer because of your karmic baggage.
When I say that the bible is inaccurate, Im saying that the content may have been altered or changed over the ages. Im not saying that you should dump your bible. But the bible is only a guide. A guide to teach you how to do good and be good. When reading the bible, you should use your eyes and your brains to find out what is really required of yourself to make GOD happy. -
hey hey i suddenly imagine wad my pastor would reply.Originally posted by shade343:
Satan was created by GOD.
So what are you trying to say?
Like I say, why do you think there is inequality? Its because of the law of karma. God puts you where you deserve to be. God decides how much suffering you deserve. The point of reincarnation is for people with karmic baggage to suffer. Life is Suffering. You suffer because of your karmic baggage.
When I say that the bible is inaccurate, Im saying that the content may have been altered or changed over the ages. Im not saying that you should dump your bible. But the bible is only a guide. A guide to teach you how to do good and be good. When reading the bible, you should use your eyes and your brains to find out what is really required of yourself to make GOD happy.
he would say...
den you are a moral man, not a Godly man!
no serious, he will definitely say dat. by faith, and complicated chemical math calculations in my head.
for me, ya, life is suffering, bible contents might be different from the original depending on versions and translation.
but there are many words that remained constant, and one of them refer to reaching God through Jesus and Jesus alone. many things didn't change. really.
thats why its incorrect to force the idea of reincarnation (actually, u were refering to regeneration, not reincarnation, different things) and the idea of going through other mediums to reach God, to Christians.
not to partake in Holy Communion is one thing, but advocating a Christian to worship to Buddha as though he is Christ is another thing altogether. -
and did you not know shade343, that satan was cast out of heaven... by God and that in the last days he and his devils will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity... satan rebelled against God..... because he tried to be god...
if Karma is at work... I sure don't see it, I only see faith and belief in God and His word in action.. I am so blessed and trust me with how I lived my earlier years... hmmm I will leave it at that, But I am THE BLESSED OF THE LORD AND I have abundant wealth and health... did you know that I have not been sick in the last 21/2 years? and that God healed my asthma and my shoulder? No doctors and my own doctors canno explain how it happened... I am living proof that God and His word works... all you can tell me is how you are suffering and in lack... but all I can say to you is how GOOD God is to me and how much He has provided for me in my life, what does that say to you then? -
with regards to the bible, I challenge you to find the oldest bible you can find and compare it to one written today.. .you will surprise surprise find that the content has not changed at all... it is the same because my God and His word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow...
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quick question, did u really do that or someone else told you?Originally posted by breytonhartge:with regards to the bible, I challenge you to find the oldest bible you can find and compare it to one written today.. .you will surprise surprise find that the content has not changed at all... it is the same because my God and His word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow... -
in statitical terms. it's know as outliers!Originally posted by t_a_s:miracle sometimes do happen, thru faith and not 100% as u said then we do need doctors any more. Thru prayers, faith, and god"s blessing, miracle can happen -
i dont believe in miracle healing either. there's so many ppl dying everyday... ask that pastor to perform miracles in hospitals, clinics lar. i see what he can do. haha. there'll be no more deaths, no more tormenting sicknesses...
hey, i think every medical students can stop their studies. what for study for so many years? the pastor dont even need to be a doctor to perform his so called miracles. he just need to book the indoor stadium and start curing anyone. not enough padang, kallang stadium also can. ask him to teach more ppl to perform hor. all over the world will have such "pastors"... let us see them defying God's plan? some ppl are fated to die on that day and WOW, they didnt die ar after those "miracles"..
yeah, but i believe that faith sometimes can cure emotional hurts. Praying to God, let Him know ur feelings, and some time u'll surely get over it.
Hebrews 13:5
I will never leave you, nor forsake you.
Jesus heals, but i dont think just anyone can perform miracles just like that. don't forget that are human beings themselves. dont tell me they dont get sick? their house dont even need medicines then...
City harvest is quite a charismatic type of church, i wouldnt really want to go there. i'll feel quite out of place. -
One BBC documentary had just claimed that the traditional number associated with the devil "666" is translated wrongly..Originally posted by breytonhartge:with regards to the bible, I challenge you to find the oldest bible you can find and compare it to one written today.. .you will surprise surprise find that the content has not changed at all... it is the same because my God and His word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow...
The actual number should be "616", refering the emperor Nero..
Ta-dah.. Bible's content (especially the translated ones) might not be accurate word for word.. -
my life is not one of suffering, but of blessing and growth because I believe in Jesus... now can you say that?
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what crap? dan brown. author lar... i oso can write and argue anything i likeOriginally posted by earthlings73:nah.. shows that u r ignorant abt Buddhism..
there are 6 realms..
Buddha had gained enlightenment and remove himself from the realm of human beings.. he is god-like (came remember the name they used).. But the concept of god in Buddhism and Christianity is very different though..
Dan Brown had just argued that Jesus is man too.. The holy status was given by Constantine when he turned Rome to Christianity.. -
a fallacy in logic..Originally posted by breytonhartge:and did you not know shade343, that satan was cast out of heaven... by God and that in the last days he and his devils will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity... satan rebelled against God..... because he tried to be god...
if Karma is at work... I sure don't see it, I only see faith and belief in God and His word in action.. I am so blessed and trust me with how I lived my earlier years... hmmm I will leave it at that, But I am THE BLESSED OF THE LORD AND I have abundant wealth and health... did you know that I have not been sick in the last 21/2 years? and that God healed my asthma and my shoulder? No doctors and my own doctors canno explain how it happened... I am living proof that God and His word works... all you can tell me is how you are suffering and in lack... but all I can say to you is how GOOD God is to me and how much He has provided for me in my life, what does that say to you then?
if you want to prove something.. what you can do is to disprove the contrary..
which means if you can find someone who's not christian but was not sick for 21 yrs, you would succeed in proving your theory.. -
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err.. right.. and why should we believe you in your claim that buddha, guan yin, etc are not god?Originally posted by badzilla:what crap? dan brown. author lar... i oso can write and argue anything i like
at least dan brown's work is based on certain other proper research.. though it's quite controversial i must admit..
edit.. just realise that you were not the one who put forth the claim.. but the central message in the same..