something to ask the christian frens here..
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ya this i understand. and thats the only reason why i remained in church.Originally posted by breytonhartge:then I would say that you do not know what you are talking about, many christians do a lot of good for the world out there... especially in africa
Bruce Wilkinson, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, New Creation Church, etc... the list goes on...
God is not my excuse for doing things, He is the reason why I do things and Jesus is my reason for who I am,
you have no uderstanding of how it works... because we know a God that loves us so much, we don't want to sin or do bad things... just the opposite, Knowing Christ will change a persons character around to do good and not evil as you define it... many stories about prison covicts who have received Christ and have turned their lives around... so becareful...
the problem with you all is that you are focusing on people who are fallable and not on God who is infallable. Christians even if saved are still human, but God is God...
but must be careful of the passion for God may be turned into the poison for God.For more information, please contact:
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - June 3, 2005
Civil Rights Group Urges
Kentucky Judge to Drop
“Religion Exemption” Over Treatment
American Atheists today called upon Kentucky District Judge Michael Caperton to stop offering those sentenced on drug charges the “option” of attending church services as alternative to jail or rehab treatment, saying that the policy discriminates and runs afoul of the First Amendment separation church and state.
Caperton was described as a “devout Christian” in the May 31, 2005 edition of the Courier-Journal newspaper (“Judge lets some defendants attend worship as sentencing option.”) The story quoted the judge as saying “I don’t think there’s a state-church issue, because it is not mandatory and I say worship services instead of church.” He added that “any denomination is acceptable.”
Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists said that Caperton is letting his personal religious beliefs spill over into the courtroom. “He is still promoting religion and religious belief even if he masks this policy by claiming it is ‘not mandatory,’ or talks about ‘worship’ instead of what it is – going to church.”
Edwin Kagin, an attorney and Kentucky State Director for American Atheists said that Caperton is not only violating the Constitution but misleading the public as well.
“There is nothing voluntary about this,” said Kagin. “It amounts to a bribe on behalf of the court to get defendants to attend religious services.”
Kagin said that Judge is clearly promoting religion, and putting it on an equal footing with drug rehabilitation. “He is forcing his religion into the courtroom where it does not belong.” -
Actually YOu do see Karma, Its just that you choose to pretend that it doesnt exist. By the way, Laws of Karma still did exist, Satan rebelled, as punishment, he went to hell.Originally posted by breytonhartge:and did you not know shade343, that satan was cast out of heaven... by God and that in the last days he and his devils will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity... satan rebelled against God..... because he tried to be god...
if Karma is at work... I sure don't see it, I only see faith and belief in God and His word in action.. I am so blessed and trust me with how I lived my earlier years... hmmm I will leave it at that, But I am THE BLESSED OF THE LORD AND I have abundant wealth and health... did you know that I have not been sick in the last 21/2 years? and that God healed my asthma and my shoulder? No doctors and my own doctors canno explain how it happened... I am living proof that God and His word works... all you can tell me is how you are suffering and in lack... but all I can say to you is how GOOD God is to me and how much He has provided for me in my life, what does that say to you then? -
you are saying through Buddha you can also read God right? so its the same if I quit Church now, go pray to Buddha, I oso will go to heaven and see God right?Originally posted by shade343:Im not advocating Christians to worship any other gods, Im saying if you are christian be a good christian, if you are a muslim, be a good muslim. Reincarnation exists, whether you believe it or not is another thing.
A godly man may not be a moral man.
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not me lor. i wanna go visit the vatican some day oso.Originally posted by laurence82:if you fit into any of the description, then its you lor....
if you dont, then its not lor... 
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Now you're talking about yourself while i'm talking about this whole christian salvation issue is turning sour and turning non believers off.Originally posted by Ito_^:do you know how unhealthy for me to be sitting in the office for 7 hours per day reading topics in the bar?
now dats VERY UNHEALTHY.
Now in long run which is unhealthy? I still think that this discussion has served it's purpose. -
These two are the least of my worries.Originally posted by shade343:Im not advocating Christians to worship any other gods, Im saying if you are christian be a good christian, if you are a muslim, be a good muslim. Reincarnation exists, whether you believe it or not is another thing.
A godly man may not be a moral man.
A moral may not be a godly man.
I am afraid of man who have strange hallucinations that he is God himself, and i seen this being reenacted everytime in here... -
If you are more comfortable praying to buddha then pray to him lor. You have a lot of choices. Take your pickOriginally posted by Ito_^:you are saying through Buddha you can also read God right? so its the same if I quit Church now, go pray to Buddha, I oso will go to heaven and see God right?
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Looking at the first few pages, I can dare say there has been much silly discussions about other religions, which was pointed out in my first post tonight.Originally posted by M©+square:Now you're talking about yourself while i'm talking about this whole christian salvation issue is turning sour and turning non believers off.
Now in long run which is unhealthy? I still think that this discussion has served it's purpose.
Notwithstanding, there is a noobz here who keep making statements out of the bible, telling others to be careful and all that
If i need entertainment, remind me to come in here....
EH is the very place i always see embroiled in some stupid discussions, there might be better forums for Christianity somewhere out there... -
Pilgrimage?Originally posted by Ito_^:not me lor. i wanna go visit the vatican some day oso. -
Buddha isnt a God, he is a highly enlightened being. My mistake there, But there are gods from Buddhism too..Originally posted by laurence82:DOnch noe why the topic starts to include other religions, and if you are ignorant, pls dont start discussing abt other religions
coz i see something statements like "God send Jesus and Buddha to earth"
since when Buddhism, has a God? 
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Then you are mixing the two religions up liaozOriginally posted by Ito_^:you are saying through Buddha you can also read God right? so its the same if I quit Church now, go pray to Buddha, I oso will go to heaven and see God right?
In Christianity, there is a Heaven as defined in the Bible
In Buddhism, there is the Enlightenment, which i rather let someone else explain full detail. Again, there is no god, no heaven as defined by the christians...
In anyway, these two are very different path. You cant use another path to reach the same goal. -
For me, my entertainment will be SmapLion and Shadey.Originally posted by laurence82:Looking at the first few pages, I can dare say there has been much silly discussions about other religions, which was pointed out in my first post tonight.
Notwithstanding, there is a noobz here who keep making statements out of the bible, telling others to be careful and all that
If i need entertainment, remind me to come in here....
EH is the very place i always see embroiled in some stupid discussions, there might be better forums for Christianity somewhere out there... -
There are gods, but not God, and these mortals, animals, devas are still ranked below the Enlightened Being, which people called a Buddha.Originally posted by shade343:Buddha isnt a God, he is a highly enlightened being. My mistake there, But there are gods from Buddhism too..
When i meant ranked, i dont mean there is a hierarchy, rather, because non of these has attained enlightement. Anyway, i wouldnt want to go further discussing other faiths in this forum, its like a taint to other religion to talk about sumthing holy in here... -
Hey hey...since you derive entertainment from me, you must give me moneyOriginally posted by M©+square:For me, my entertainment will be SmapLion and Shadey. -
Surely you have heard of Chinana?Originally posted by laurence82:There are gods, but not God, and these mortals, animals, devas are still ranked below the Enlightened Being, which people called a Buddha.
When i meant ranked, i dont mean there is a hierarchy, rather, because non of these has attained enlightement. Anyway, i wouldnt want to go further discussing other faiths in this forum, its like a taint to other religion to talk about sumthing holy in here... -
shadey? ah shade issit?Originally posted by M©+square:For me, my entertainment will be SmapLion and Shadey.
anyway, dont really read the Bar nowadays, not realli funny liaoz.... -
tell dat to mr. shade.Originally posted by laurence82:Then you are mixing the two religions up liaoz
In Christianity, there is a Heaven as defined in the Bible
In Buddhism, there is the Enlightenment, which i rather let someone else explain full detail. Again, there is no god, no heaven as defined by the christians...
In anyway, these two are very different path. You cant use another path to reach the same goal.
really pek che. -
no. sight seeing.Originally posted by laurence82:Pilgrimage? -
Did u say China or Banana?Originally posted by shade343:Surely you have heard of Chinana?
My bad, i am hard of sight lately....
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well.. thats wad they, if as future Christians, gotta face someday anyway.Originally posted by M©+square:Now you're talking about yourself while i'm talking about this whole christian salvation issue is turning sour and turning non believers off.
Now in long run which is unhealthy? I still think that this discussion has served it's purpose.
sometime down the road, im sure someone will come up and force them to explain this and dat and den end it with a "your god sux!". -
Not forgetting there are thousands of people in Europe 'disconverting' from Christianity
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If that's what you want to achieve lo.Originally posted by Ito_^:well.. thats wad they, if as future Christians, gotta face someday anyway. sometime down the road, im sure someone will come up and force them to explain this and dat and den end it with a "your god sux!". -
Its not more of the God sux, for me, its more of christians sucks....
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Alamak. shhh....why you say me like that.Originally posted by laurence82:Its not more of the God sux, for me, its more of christians sucks....
You bery bad leh. -
becuz i was heading towards dat path before. want convert har.. ok lor.. explain explain explain explain den i say nah, dun wan.Originally posted by M©+square:If that's what you want to achieve lo. waste their time.