Christmas
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Is it true that Jesus was actually born in March?
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i dunnoe leh.
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It's mentioned in Dan Brown's novel Angels & Demons, so I'll just like to verify.
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x'mas is for celebrating jesus's birth?
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The novel claimed that 25 Dec is actually the date of winter solstice and not Jesus's birth
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You are right that our christmas date is later invent one, to counter the pagan worship. But we dunno if Jesus was born in march.
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i dun mind Jesus born on 25Dec ..
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Christmas is not the most important date for xtians.
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You're right, though Christmas is the most important date for most merchantsOriginally posted by Icemoon:Christmas is not the most important date for xtians.
Most impt date is good friday and easter - the death and resurrection of Christ.
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nobody even know wat year is he dead, so how to know wat day he dies... Do u know wat year and wat day does Snow White die ? U can't either...
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march will be picses or aries.
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Birth of Christ is important me at least.Originally posted by Icemoon:Christmas is not the most important date for xtians.
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you are eyeing for something under the christmas tree right?Originally posted by M©+square:Birth of Christ is important me at least.
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Your logic is wrong. Even though we are not too sure of the year, it was mentioned that he went to Jerusalem for the Passover festival, then was caught and crucified.Originally posted by stupidissmart:nobody even know wat year is he dead, so how to know wat day he dies... -
Your logic is wrong. Even though we are not too sure of the year, it was mentioned that he went to Jerusalem for the Passover festival, then was caught and crucified.
Then it surely can't be on the festival since he went, he escaped, he got caught later and he dies a few day after. WHy can't anyone know the year he dies ? Why doesn't anyone know which day ? Wat happened to the disciples ? They don't bother to tell anyone the time he dies ? Isn't tat fishy ? -
haha...read again? It's Birth of Christ, not christmas.Originally posted by Icemoon:you are eyeing for something under the christmas tree right? -
Opps .. I was too quick to judgeOriginally posted by M©+square:haha...read again? It's Birth of Christ, not christmas. 
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Because firstly, the calendar is relatively late (and rather difficult) invention. The West follows the Julean calendar, put in place by Julius Ceasar in 46 BC. He established January 1st as the start of the year and let the previous year drag on by 445 days, to correct the Roman calendar and synchronize it with the position of the Sun. And that was only one of many calendar systems in use. You can imagine how accurate it is to place any event in those times.Originally posted by stupidissmart:WHy can't anyone know the year he dies ? Why doesn't anyone know which day ? Wat happened to the disciples ? They don't bother to tell anyone the time he dies ? Isn't tat fishy ?
Without a standarized calendar, it is very to say in which year an event happened. For example, you may know your mother's birthday in day, month and year. Now do you know her birthday in day, month and year format in the Chinese lunar calendar. And don't just say it is the year of the rooster, cos' that happens once every 12 years and your grandchildren will never know which year of the rooster.
In ancient times, it is therefore common to date an event after the reign of the king. That also happens in China...my grandfather was born in the first year of the reign of the Emperor Xuantong...that could be anytime between Dec 1908 to Nov 1909. We know Jesus was born at the time Augustus Caesar ordered a census, when Quirinius was ruler of Syria. You might say that the census year must therefore be 1AD. But actually the census took a few years to conduct and Quirinius might have been twice ruler of Syria. Our historians are not particularly sure of their dates, and so it is difficult to know when Jesus was born.
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You read too much into Holy Blood Holy GrailOriginally posted by stupidissmart:Then it surely can't be on the festival since he went, he escaped, he got caught later and he dies a few day after. WHy can't anyone know the year he dies ? Why doesn't anyone know which day ? Wat happened to the disciples ? They don't bother to tell anyone the time he dies ? Isn't tat fishy ? -
The mushroom from oxford looks quite learned. Let's see how SIS blasts him or her to shreds. Or will it be the other way round?
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Because firstly, the calendar is relatively late (and rather difficult) invention. The West follows the Julean calendar, put in place by Julius Ceasar in 46 BC. He established January 1st as the start of the year and let the previous year drag on by 445 days, to correct the Roman calendar and synchronize it with the position of the Sun. And that was only one of many calendar systems in use. You can imagine how accurate it is to place any event in those times.
The date pf other events such as wars etc can be pinpoint. Even though it is relatively chaotic, but u can still find the days if u know on which calander, which date he die. U see u even know julius caesar die on 46 BC isn't it ? BC is the new calendar isn't it ? Why u know how to convert to find julius death and suddenly u don't know how to convert back when christ dies ?Without a standarized calendar, it is very to say in which year an event happened. For example, you may know your mother's birthday in day, month and year. Now do you know her birthday in day, month and year format in the Chinese lunar calendar. And don't just say it is the year of the rooster, cos' that happens once every 12 years and your grandchildren will never know which year of the rooster.
If I want to, it can be converted back. It is simple work and it is achievable. U want me to convert to musim calender also acheivable. it just meant work, not impossibilityIn ancient times, it is therefore common to date an event after the reign of the king. That also happens in China...my grandfather was born in the first year of the reign of the Emperor Xuantong...that could be anytime between Dec 1908 to Nov 1909. We know Jesus was born at the time Augustus Caesar ordered a census, when Quirinius was ruler of Syria. You might say that the census year must therefore be 1AD. But actually the census took a few years to conduct and Quirinius might have been twice ruler of Syria. Our historians are not particularly sure of their dates, and so it is difficult to know when Jesus was born.
U r wrong in the sense if u look out, u can find out wat year exactly is the reign of Emperor watever. There is a system involved in tabulating the time, whose ever time. -
46BC...means 46 years before the date Christ was born, according to the church. But what if Christ was not born on 1 AD but say, 3 BC? Then Julius Caesar's year of death will also have to change.Originally posted by stupidissmart:U see u even know julius caesar die on 46 BC isn't it ? .
This is not the place to go into an academic discussion about why some scholars think Jesus was born in 3 BC but you can read more for yourself on the internet and various books.
For example,
http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/CHRDAT.TXT
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46BC...means 46 years before the date Christ was born, according to the church. But what if Christ was not born on 1 AD but say, 3 BC? Then Julius Caesar's year of death will also have to change.
Ahh... but then all the other time system r consistent since the people living then is real. Nobody have any problem with dating on other events. There wouldn't have any changes in the year system. The only proposed difference in years u given is, well, dated to christ. If all the other dating scheme is accurate, then there shouldn't have any problem finding out the important dates of christ life. If u look at your website, u found tat even the day of the eclipse is accurate and not ambiguous. In fact your website highlight a contradiction of the date he die, tat is why there is much debate on it since selection of a part of th bible to be true will inevitably forsake a section of the bible and labeled it as wrong.
U give an example of christ being wrongly dated. Well, tis only shows the uncertainty of important dates of jesus, which give more arguments to show him more fiction than facts -
First half, AC Milan 3 Liverpool 0Originally posted by Icemoon:The mushroom from oxford looks quite learned. Let's see how SIS blasts him or her to shreds. Or will it be the other way round? -
So this is what this thread is about huh? That Jesus must be fiction cos' we cannot be sure when he was born and when he died? I don't even know when my grandfather was born and that was less than 100 years agoOriginally posted by stupidissmart:U give an example of christ being wrongly dated. Well, tis only shows the uncertainty of important dates of jesus, which give more arguments to show him more fiction than facts
So is it your argument that he did not exist, was not born, did not die and certainly did not resurrect; but someone wrote a bestseller fiction that is read over 2000 years and commands a following of millions of people today. What's more, followers of 2 other major rival religions (Judaism and Islam) also believed the story that at least he existed. Wow....
I better read the bible then...maybe I can learn to write something better than Dan Brown...