The Criminalisation of Christianity
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The US Supreme Court said kids canÂ’t pray in school. Then the Ten Commandments were ripped from the classrooms.
Pastors are being removed from their pulpits and put in jail for speaking out against homosexuality (Sweden).
In malaysia, Christian malays are put into jail.......
In Arabia and Pakistan, Christian converts are executed for converting.
Christians are now regarded as Criminals in some countries.....even 'christian countries'.... -
these are mudune society and built to promote INTER-RELIGION harmony. don't mix a mudune system with a religous one which serves to destory other religion.
so stfu. -
speaking out against homosexuality? bloody homophobes. hiding behind the face of religion. cowards. whatever happened to "jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world"?
sometimes i wonder if they have really learnt anything about religion, or are they just using the bible to justify and rationalize their own prejudices. -
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Btw, quote your sources...
Didnt know Malaysia would throw Christian Malays into jails.... -
It is speaking against the sins, not the person.Originally posted by HENG@:sometimes i wonder if they have really learnt anything about religion, or are they just using the bible to justify and rationalize their own prejudices.
In Singapore we find Christians helping prostitutes too, often at no cost (as in dun need them to convert). -
homosexuality is a sin? oh pleaseeeeeee. that already shows the prejudice of "christians"Originally posted by Icemoon:It is speaking against the sins, not the person.
In Singapore we find Christians helping prostitutes too, often at no cost (as in dun need them to convert).
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To speak out against homosexuality is one thing, but to speak out against homosexuals is another.Originally posted by HENG@:speaking out against homosexuality? bloody homophobes. hiding behind the face of religion. cowards. whatever happened to "jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world"?
sometimes i wonder if they have really learnt anything about religion, or are they just using the bible to justify and rationalize their own prejudices.
There is nothing wrong with condemning the sin (gay sex), but it is not correct to condemn people. Love the sinner, but hate the crime.
Of course, whether you consider gay sex a sin is another point of discussion. -
To be fair
people do it to one another
Several German states are now considering banning wearing of headscarves by German Muslims. When questioned about the Catholic nun's wearing of habits, it was reasoned habits are the nuns' 'professional clothings' and should not be banned.
Same in France. -
thats the problem isn't it? that people even condem homosexuality. if we put gay sex aside, people condem even having gay FEELINGS as a sin. how awful people can be. There is something very wrong when homosexuality is even viewed as a sin. How abhorrent. How are u to have faith in the goodness of such people when they lack basic humanity.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:To speak out against homosexuality is one thing, but to speak out against homosexuals is another.
There is nothing wrong with condemning the sin (gay sex), but it is not correct to condemn people. Love the sinner, but hate the crime.
Of course, whether you consider gay sex a sin is another point of discussion. -
to be fair, christians are the reason why i lost any faith in humans and humanity.Originally posted by laurence82:To be fair
people do it to one another
Several German states are now considering banning wearing of headscarves by German Muslims. When questioned about the Catholic nun's wearing of habits, it was reasoned habits are the nuns' 'professional clothings' and should not be banned.
Same in France.
and then u have other religious extremists and zealots who come along and make me further lose faith in humanity. -
Homosexuality is not a sin. Homosexuals are just normal ppl like you and I.Originally posted by HENG@:homosexuality is a sin? oh pleaseeeeeee. that already shows the prejudice of "christians"
There are many ppl who care nothing about religion but use it to attack others, impose themselves upon others amongst other reasons. -
i seriously don't believe basic humanity involves a guy anal farking another guy for the fun of it.Originally posted by HENG@:There is something very wrong when homosexuality is even viewed as a sin. How abhorrent. How are u to have faith in the goodness of such people when they lack basic humanity.
i condamm homosexuality. period. so i am awful now huh? -
It doesn't even make much sense in nature. Farking is for procreation. Our males don't lay eggs or carry eggs. So farking males goes against survivial principles.Originally posted by Ito_^:i seriously don't believe basic humanity involves a guy anal farking another guy for the fun of it.
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Not normal in the naturalistic sense. Their "preference" mean that their genes will die off in their generation.Originally posted by SilverPal:Homosexuality is not a sin. Homosexuals are just normal ppl like you and I. -
You have no faith in Christians.Originally posted by HENG@:thats the problem isn't it? that people even condem homosexuality. if we put gay sex aside, people condem even having gay FEELINGS as a sin. how awful people can be.
The more important question is - do you have faith in Jesus Christ?
John 8:11 - .. And Jesus said, ‘Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again.’
You see .. how "awful good God can be" .. I wonder why people never complain God is too good? -
In the words of mother Teresa, who called homosexuals "friends of Jesus," she said "Jesus loves you always, even when you don't feel worthy. When not accepted by others, even by yourself sometimes, He is the one who always accepts you. Only believe, you are precious to him. Bring all you are suffering to His feet, only open your heart to be loved by Him as you are. He will do the rest."
You see that Mother Teresa had such a loving attitude towards those who have same-sex attractions, but she still called them to purity. -
I don't know whether jesus/god is awfully good when he kill off the city of sodom whey they r found to be gays (actually tat is why christainity r against gay though I myself find it to be... far fetched) and worse still, medical research have found tat gays may be natural as well as nurture. If there is a "nature" element in it, it just meant they r created to be gays by god but they r condemn to be a gay, which is not really "awfully good"
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Which remind of yet another Discovery Channel programs where they showcase homosexuality in each species of the Animal Kingdom
really natural.....
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when i say that humans lack basic humanity, it refers to the basic humanity of being more accepting towards their fellow humans, even if they're different from the norm. That, Ito_^, is the basic humanity u're lacking, and that is why i find u awful. Btw maybe u lack comprehension skills to ever think that i said anal sex is basic humanity. LEARN to READ
Icemoon, I have no faith in Jesus. Simply because he has allowed fanatics to hide behind his name for their own prejudices.
And I'll ask all of u now, if u think that homosexuality is unnatural, then what about transexuality? Seriously, why do you find the need to condemn anything that is not normal? Who even defines nature? Nature is understood thru science, and science is still at such an infant age where the human mind cannot be understood. Homosexuality has existed for thousands of years. What makes u so sure that it is a sin in God's eyes? The Bible is not, and was never an accurate direct memo from God. It was written by man who have coloured and polluted it with their petty prejudices. Would u stake everything u have on saying that the bible is 100% accurate, and is worded exactly as God willed? what if it is you who has been misled and u have been speaking out against God's will? Wouldn't you be the sinners then? Take some time out to think. Religion isn't about blind faith. -
i couldn't have put it better myself. the question then is, is going against god's creations and god's will a sin in itself?Originally posted by stupidissmart:If there is a "nature" element in it, it just meant they r created to be gays by god but they r condemn to be a gay, which is not really "awfully good" -
A sin is defined as, see http://www.andrews.edu/SEM/semtech/HebrewTutorial/lesson_10.htm,
1. .. in the sense of missing a goal or a target, to walk astray from the path, to go wrong.
2. .. something is bent or twisted.
3. .. in the sense of opposition against God.
These three terms describe the totality of sin in Hebrew thinking. See Lev 16:21 and Psalm 32:1-2. -
"when i say that humans lack basic humanity, it refers to the basic humanity of being more accepting towards their fellow humans, even if they're different from the norm. That, Ito_^, is the basic humanity u're lacking, and that is why i find u awful. Btw maybe u lack comprehension skills to ever think that i said anal sex is basic humanity. LEARN to READ"
from what i gather, you are saying humanity doesn't seem human at all, because accepting anti-social people isn't the most common traits of humanity. this basic humanity that you imagined is only hot air.
you are saying, its alright to have sexual love between guys even if its not sexual and repressed?
or should we pretend that we love everyone and accept what we ourselves feel is wrong? than the catholics would be much better and honest by stateing what they can stand and what they cannot stand clearly instead of delluding themselves like drugged hippies.
fine, so i lack the comprehension to read and do not have that basic humanity and i am awful than so be it. at least i am honest to myself to take my stand on issues.
HOMSEXUALITY ROTS. and your basic humanity is bullshit.[/quote] -
and what if you are the one who was wrong and condamming every word in the bible? or perhaps you are a homo?Originally posted by HENG@:And I'll ask all of u now, if u think that homosexuality is unnatural, then what about transexuality? Seriously, why do you find the need to condemn anything that is not normal? Who even defines nature? Nature is understood thru science, and science is still at such an infant age where the human mind cannot be understood. Homosexuality has existed for thousands of years. What makes u so sure that it is a sin in God's eyes? The Bible is not, and was never an accurate direct memo from God. It was written by man who have coloured and polluted it with their petty prejudices. Would u stake everything u have on saying that the bible is 100% accurate, and is worded exactly as God willed? what if it is you who has been misled and u have been speaking out against God's will? Wouldn't you be the sinners then? Take some time out to think. Religion isn't about blind faith. -
Crimes had been commited in the name of the Lord, like the Inquisition and the Crusades. However, take note of two points, quite diametrically opposite each other:Originally posted by HENG@:Icemoon, I have no faith in Jesus. Simply because he has allowed fanatics to hide behind his name for their own prejudices.
1. All men have sinned, if God can forgive someone who repents, like yourself, then we should also forgive that person. If the person never repents, see 2.
2. The gate to eternal life is narrow. Not many will enter. I believe unrepentant fanatics belong to those who walk the wide gate.Who even defines nature? Nature is understood thru science, and science is still at such an infant age where the human mind cannot be understood. Homosexuality has existed for thousands of years.
Told you liao. Until you can give me a convincing explanation that homosexuality chances survival, you die die also must accept homosexuals are not "natural", literally. Come on, they violate the first principles of an organism - reproduction. And sexual preferences is geared for that, assuming genes come from male and female.what if it is you who has been misled and u have been speaking out against God's will? Wouldn't you be the sinners then? Take some time out to think. Religion isn't about blind faith.
The Bible is supposed to be read with the Holy Spirit's guidance.