Things you want to know about Christianity
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Christianity is not about right or wrong. it is about each individual's salvation. maybe all the things you have seen and heard have given you a bad impression. but you must understand that whether you believe in GOD or otherwise has nothing to do with the actions of others. you are seeking your own salvation. christians are also human. a lot of 'wrong' things you heard or saw are the doings of human. it has nothing to do with GOD.Originally posted by HENG@:ultimately we even see christians fighting other christians because of they are protestants or catholic or whatever. no seriously i don't suppose u see how stupid and pointless it is from the outside. like i said, u can all talk a lot, when u die u'll know who's right. -
i never said it has anything to do with god. i said when u all die u will know which of u were right n which of u were wrong, come here shout shout shout also no use.
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I could see that u r a great protestant. At least deep down, u know what the Catholic churches practices, Love and Peace. Every mass, we pray for our brothers and sister in Christ.Originally posted by Honeybunz:This I will really agree with you.
When I was a Protestant, I have been hearing not so nice comments about the Catholic Church and they were said in very unchristian manner by my ex church friends.
Nevertheless, during the many years with the Protestants, while I saw many unchristlike Christian Pastors and Teachers brainwash the members by making unfair & judgemental statements about the Catholics, I did come across a few Pastors who made very fair statement about the Catholics and even had retreats with the Priests.
I still love the Protestant Church because it has given me a great insight of the bible, without which, I would not have known the importance of the scripture. The Catholic Church has, on the other hand, given me a perceptivity of what the bible teaches : Love and Peace.
What also touches me about the Catholic Church is the way they address the Protestant Church. In some sermons, the Priests will refer to them as "Our Seperated Brothers". This loving name for the Protestants was advocated by none other than our late Pope John Paul II.
I am a Roman Catholic. But, to be very honest with u, there are things that I disagree with RC, i dont intercede through Mother Mary. But, then why i am still a RC? Simple, becoz they love. Not a speech of a priest and pope that criticize another protestant. Look what what Jesus said before," those who things u nvr sin, pls throw the first stone". So, i really piss off for those protestant that they think that they are damn holy. Mother Theresa, work with the sick, the poor, until a good ripe age. honestly, if i would go to india and africa to deal with these ppl , i would fall sick and die. By God's Grace, she had a good health till old. Mother Theresa loves, the Pope loves. By that, i could see a image of God in them.
Yeah, some might criticize the office of Pope. Dun forget, the Pope need to synchronize all the RC churches. I believe in unity, not division. Protestants are too divided. Becoz there is no "leader", there born churches like the charismatic type, and like those of City Harvest. No one could guide these churches, except the pastor themselves. If, IF City Harvest church aim is to collect money and get rich from ppl, i wont be shock that the paster is not even a believer, good money to earn. In City Harvest church, u can make donation with Cheque, and even NETS!! Again, this is where no one , no leader can control them. I could also easily set a church up and earn money. I dun need to work. This is where, i see the importance of Pope.
Another thing is that, protestants, they convert ppl by "force", like intterogation", without realising. The pope and theresa convert ppl by love. The person who assasinated him, a turkish guy was touched by the pope's love and forgiveness. That he, the ASSASIN even cried during the pope's death. THat is the power of love, that Jesus would want us to show. For those who criticize the pope, the pope still love them, but from my humble opinion, the pope has done so much and love so much, to those PASTOR who criticizes him, please wake up, do u thing u had contributed ur life to God more than him, and love more than him. Then, who r u to criticize. By scolding, condemning, and not by love?? If that is the way God wants u to spread his love, go on.
Conclusion, that's y i am a RC, though i dont follow some of thier doctrine. -
a fucked religon yea.
say one thing. do other thing..
hahha yea. its fucked
u xitians ask urself tis question. what the fuck have u been doing -
I am a born Catholic. And then I was a Protestant. Now I have returned to the Catholic faith! . Yay!Originally posted by TrU PeAce (^0*)v:I could see that u r a great protestant. At least deep down, u know what the Catholic churches practices, Love and Peace. Every mass, we pray for our brothers and sister in Christ.
I am a Roman Catholic. But, to be very honest with u, there are things that I disagree with RC, i dont intercede through Mother Mary. But, then why i am still a RC? Simple, becoz they love. Not a speech of a priest and pope that criticize another protestant. Look what what Jesus said before," those who things u nvr sin, pls throw the first stone". So, i really piss off for those protestant that they think that they are damn holy. Mother Theresa, work with the sick, the poor, until a good ripe age. honestly, if i would go to india and africa to deal with these ppl , i would fall sick and die. By God's Grace, she had a good health till old. Mother Theresa loves, the Pope loves. By that, i could see a image of God in them.
Yeah, some might criticize the office of Pope. Dun forget, the Pope need to synchronize all the RC churches. I believe in unity, not division. Protestants are too divided. Becoz there is no "leader", there born churches like the charismatic type, and like those of City Harvest. No one could guide these churches, except the pastor themselves. If, IF City Harvest church aim is to collect money and get rich from ppl, i wont be shock that the paster is not even a believer, good money to earn. In City Harvest church, u can make donation with Cheque, and even NETS!! Again, this is where no one , no leader can control them. I could also easily set a church up and earn money. I dun need to work. This is where, i see the importance of Pope.
Another thing is that, protestants, they convert ppl by "force", like intterogation", without realising. The pope and theresa convert ppl by love. The person who assasinated him, a turkish guy was touched by the pope's love and forgiveness. That he, the ASSASIN even cried during the pope's death. THat is the power of love, that Jesus would want us to show. For those who criticize the pope, the pope still love them, but from my humble opinion, the pope has done so much and love so much, to those PASTOR who criticizes him, please wake up, do u thing u had contributed ur life to God more than him, and love more than him. Then, who r u to criticize. By scolding, condemning, and not by love?? If that is the way God wants u to spread his love, go on.
Conclusion, that's y i am a RC, though i dont follow some of thier doctrine.
Cuz I don't believe in memorizing the bible and don't do the words. In the past, all my friends memorize the verses by hard that they can just quote without opening up the bible. I couldn't do that. I just couldn't bring myself to do that, cuz I don't agree with that at all.
It's ok that you don't agree with certain things in the Catholic Church. I don't either. Eg. they not allowing female priests and certain abortion issues. Nevertheless, I still respect the Church's decisions and stand in these issues, instead of opposing and criticising the church (I just dun want to be another hero wannabe like Martin Luther).
It is sad that some pastors are simply jealous of the Catholic Church to the extent of making up or distorting church history and brainwashing their members. I went thru that before. They could even lie about the Protestant Church being the apostolic church while the Catholics were the one who broke away from the main stream.
Many choose to avoid doing charities by quoting verses from the bible that says "Faith alone will lead you to heaven". They conveniently ignore what St James said. But the Catholic Church emphaisize a lot on that. That's why you see around the world, there are so many orphanages, and homes that were opened by the Catholics.
I am really touched by the way of the Catholic Church. It is thru the works that I understand the bible better, instead of forcing myself to memorize every single word in the scripture.
Last time, I was a fervent Protestants who supported all the christian rallies. But one fine day, I attended one near Chinatown and the pastor (an ex taoist/buddhist) spent the whole night criticising other religions. That was the very last time I supported such event and one year later, I made my own way to the Catholic Church, without anyone bringing me there. I walked to the Catholic Church nearest to my old place to attend Mass. After a few months, I went straight to the Priest to ask him for help as I wanted to receive the Confirmation. -
Talking about criticising the Pope... that isn't the worst thing.
A few years back, some protestants came out with a TV programme in UK, condemning Mother Theresa, saying that she's doing all the charities to attract media attention. If I'm not wrong, they even said that she swindled money or something.
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oops, didnt see the word WAS. God bless u! heheOriginally posted by Honeybunz:Talking about criticising the Pope... that isn't the worst thing.
A few years back, some protestants came out with a TV programme in UK, condemning Mother Theresa, saying that she's doing all the charities to attract media attention. If I'm not wrong, they even said that she swindled money or something. -
They didnt even let off Mother Theresa?
Sheesh...
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it is a bit extreme to pass such a comment. every religion has its black sheep. the christians are not the only one.Originally posted by evilEmployee:a fucked religon yea.
say one thing. do other thing..
hahha yea. its fucked
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No, they didn't! I also say "Sheesh...."Originally posted by laurence82:They didnt even let off Mother Theresa?
Sheesh...
But hor... that time there were still some clear minded Protestants who opposed to the TV programme condemning Mother Theresa. -
Originally posted by TrU PeAce (^0*)v:oops, didnt see the word WAS. God bless u! hehe
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btw what right have you got to comment. just look at the type of language you use. you are bringing yourself downOriginally posted by evilEmployee:a fucked religon yea.
say one thing. do other thing..
hahha yea. its fucked
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then where did u get the idea that nothing can be created out of nothing?
Personally, it is because if u think tat everything need to have some predecessor for it to be formed, then if u ask tis question infinite times, u will come to the point tat something has to be created out of nothing first. Lets say u ask wat cause the big bang. Some scientist believe in explosion of a primeval atom tat created it. Tat if u ask wat create the explosion of a primeval atom, lets say u get the answer to be "bla bla bla" and if u keep on asking, u will reach the conclusion tat everything is created out of nothing. Wat do u think the end answer for it all will be then ?
the idea of things like conservation of energy is merely an assumption.not evolution, if man really come from apes... WHY then, there are still so many monkeys, gorrilas, orang utans, and chimpanzees around?
tis has been answered for probably a few hundred times here. If u want the answer to everything about evolution and creation, u can refer to the past threads in here.Charles Darwin, who wrote the evolution theory believed in God before he died. and said all that he written are false theories.
The Darwin deathbed story is false. And in any case, it is irrelevant. A scientific theory stands or falls according to how well it is supported by the facts, not according to who believes it.
Shortly after his death, Lady Hope addressed a gathering of young men and women at the educational establishment founded by the evangelist Dwight Lyman Moody at Northfield, Massachusetts. She had, she maintained, visited Darwin on his deathbed. He had been reading the Epistle to the Hebrews, had asked for the local Sunday school to sing in a summerhouse on the grounds, and had confessed: "How I wish I had not expressed my theory of evolution as I have done." He went on, she said, to say that he would like her to gather a congregation since he "would like to speak to them of Christ Jesus and His salvation, being in a state where he was eagerly savouring the heavenly anticipation of bliss."
With Moody's encouragement, Lady Hope's story was printed in the Boston Watchman Examiner. The story spread, and the claims were republished as late as October 1955 in the Reformation Review and in the Monthly Record of the Free Church of Scotland in February 1957. These attempts to fudge Darwin's story had already been exposed for what they were, first by his daughter Henrietta after they had been revived in 1922. "I was present at his deathbed," she wrote in the Christian for February 23, 1922. "Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A. . . . The whole story has no foundation whatever." (Ellipsis is in the book)For those who mught think about Big bang theory... if u guys ever heard about that...
The big bang is believe to be an explosion of something. Explosion blow things away
Let me ask... if all matter comes together to a force... den how come it exploded if its gravity in nature?
Just like magnet dun disperse in force, matters that it attracted.can anybody think for a moment, why we on earth, and not mars, or venus, or other planets? why specifically earth? if everything happens like Big Bang Theory says, den there jolly well be life in other planets... but as far as so, scientists found no life there...
Frankly it is likely there may be life in other planets far away from our galaxy. We only manage to study less than 10 other planets out of a few billion in tis galaxyJesus commanded us to love God AND our neighbors. Two commandments. Not just one. And loving our neighbours is out of obedience and love of God. So the second can encapsulate it.
According to plo3... he said it can be encapsulate into one, which is wrong. Now u say it is 2Can i ask you where in the Bible it states that God will send other religions to Hell? Is Hell even a place to speak of? Hell is merely the absence of God and Jesus Christ. How do you even reach Heaven if you refuse to acknowledge it exists? Even Jesus Christ explains that Hell is the absence of joy and happiness. Not really a "torture chamber".
I can certainly find many verse in relevation tat states tat hell is a fiery lake where they keep the devil and demons etc. So hell is a holiday inn ? U ask me where, I thought I have shown the sentence which jesus says tat u can only reach heaven through jesus and no otherAnd furthermore, we are not God. Why do you wish to use our yardstick as a mere mortal to judge someone who we Christians can't even describe in tangible wordly terms?
Jesus is suppose to be god and he tell us wat is his expectations. Don't believe, then diehonestly i feel insulted. i believe in the entire Bible. its the word of God. and may i know why i do give you the impression that i ignore parts of the Bible? i may hear stories, real life accounts, touching stories, and they are proof to me there are some good in this world. Sometimes the Holy Spirit speaks to us through events, works, and even in the most adverse of situations!
U believe in every word ? If u ask me, tat is not really possible since there r many contradictions to it.
Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
(b) Satan did (1 Chronicles 21:1)
In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
u can find more at
http://islamway.com/english/images/library/contradictions.htm
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i did explain about the dangers of taking the Bible out of context. would you compare Adolf Hitler to Julius Caesar? Different times, different scenarios. And things would be done very differently. For example, in Exodus, the LORD God made Isaac's wife appear before Abraham's servant as a lady drawing water out of a well. It might form the bedrock for today's romantic relationships where we may believe that God has chosen a partner to complement us. But does that mean we need to go scoping for every lady near a well? Here, you are referring to the book of Deutronomy. If you were to look at the NT with a fresh perspective, you might notice Jesus Christ did no such things? Who came later? Jesus. At a different time. Because times had changed.
So the bible has an expiry date ? It is only relevant from year 1 to 2000, then it need another revision ? As said before even Jesus say tat every word of the OT remains relevant after him. and it will remain relevant forever
Matthew 5:18
'In truth I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even the smallest stroke of a letter will pass away from the Law.'I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven
Jesus did no such things, but he say tat the laws is still valid. They r at different times but jesus say tat it is forever. So why isn't the book of detronomy valid ?why refer to OT? OT is irrelevant because Jesus did not exist then. Not joking here. For example, consider our laws? During the time of the British, there were many laws regarding the usage of horses (obviously no motorcars then). All these laws no longer exist. Would you say we reinstate them and make them applicable to all recreational horses (i.e. the ones at the Turf Club)? hope u get to see my idea here. Even during the OT times, the priests can't even harm Jesus. Why? Thou shalt not murder were one of the commandments Moses brougt down!
Frankly, if there is no OT, Jesus can be consider as a lier since it is the OT tat says a messiah will appears. Even jesus says tat OT is relevant. Thou shall not murder, but in the OT there r a lot of death penalties such as stoning women.Err, if you dun acknowledge God exists. Your soul go to a place where there is no God. I would not bother describing that place for I have acknowledged Him, and that knowledge would be irrelevant. The place is described in the Bible anyway... i think its called limbo according to catechism. Its a place where there is an absence of God.
I thought limbo is for un-baptise children tat die ? BTW limbo isn't suppose to be much better than hell
If you do acknowlegde God exists... you have a heavy responsibility already for you are expected to live a life worthy of Him for when you come before Him, you will be judged. By not who you are. But of your faith. A lackluster faith leads to impurity in the heart. For Jesus warned that there were some He would not acknowledge despite their proclaimations of faith.
actually why don't u ask yourself whether does it make sense to judge people by faith and not by actions. I mean he dissappear, hide in such a way tat u can not have concrete reasons to believe in him and then punish u for not beliving in it ?And i think u misunderstood me. If the person does not acknowledge God, God does not exist to his knowledge, his/her soul will take up permanent residence in Limbo (IIRC). If a person acknowledges God, he/she will be weighed. He/she will have to undergo the fires of purgatory where his past deeds will be held accountable. Its a test of the purity of faith. What's good of a faith based on lip service? God is fair. I believe stongly, though a murderer may reach Heaven's door, if he's not truly repentant, he will be punished severely. Even if he's repentant, he need to make good the misdeeds he did.
where do u read tat non-believers go to limbo ?God is perfect! God never changes! But we do! Our world changes! Our status quo keeps changing! Thats why Heaven is paradise because there is true happiness and its constant! I mean during Moses' time, a burning bush would be considered something miraculous... but that effect would be lost on us today? Even so, our hazy skies would hide the star that led the 3 wise men to a lowly manger one clear night? Its us who change. God accomodates us by making His laws all the more clear to us for us to understand His laws in out current culture and timeframe better
The OT say tat its teaching is timeless. The NT say tat OT is still relevant. Then u tell me tat times have changed and god have to keep up with the changes. Then isn't tat rebuking the whole bible ?err what facts did i omit? everyone DURING and AFTER Jesus' time, MUST believe in Jesus to be saved. For He paid the ultimate price.... to die for our sins. There is a distinction made between unbelievers and people who have not heard of Jesus Christ. unbelievers are those who do have a choice to believe in Jesus Christ! but they intentionally refuse it. those people who are unaware of Jesus like people in remote areas... God did send missionaries to spread His word. He cared! However the Bible does not mention about those who unfortuately do not hear the word of the LORD... thats for the missionaries and we Christians to answer to God
And wat happen to the people before jesus ? Why do the people who had heard of jesus yet do not believe in him had to go to hell ? Wat happen to the people who had not heard of jesus ?Unfortunate. But does it mean they'll go to Hell? But if you are holding the Bible.... would a section on what would happen to those who do not hear the Bible be irrelevant?
wat happen to them ? Sorry I don't really get uI don't think ntu_slacker is saying that the OT is irrelevant. I think the issue is to respond to another writer's regular reference to OT's law. In that sense, it is irrelevant because the laws in the OT is no longer relevant to us in a practical sense.
why is the OT not relevant in a practical sense when the bible says it is ?And IMHO, most of the things in the OT ARE now made irrelevant by the arrival of Jesus Christ. And Jesus did not just do away the OT, He brought it out of mothballs and breathed new Life into God's Word. The Bible was no longer God-inspired or records of the saints of old (some may argue Abaraham, Moses etc arent saints but u get the idea)... but a real life account of the life of the people living with the Son of God.
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ntu slacker has rightly stated its 2, I summarized the 2 in into 1. So sorry for any misunderstanding. But note as ntu slacker has said that love of God can be expressed in love of neighbour and vice-versa.
According to plo3... he said it can be encapsulate into one, which is wrong. Now u say it is 2 -
ntu slacker has rightly stated its 2, I summarized the 2 in into 1. So sorry for any misunderstanding. But note as ntu slacker has said that love of God can be expressed in love of neighbour and vice-versa.
loving god is different from loving our neighbours. Therefore the non-believers don't perform tis part at all and therefore is not following jesus. So wat happens to them in the end ? -
Which is why I mentioned earlier, what does it mean to love God?:Originally posted by stupidissmart:loving god is different from loving our neighbours. Therefore the non-believers don't perform tis part at all and therefore is not following jesus. So wat happens to them in the end ?
To love God can be expressed as loving your neighbour as love for neighbhour is love for God. -
Which is why I mentioned earlier, what does it mean to love God?:
loving your neighbour is like loving your peers. U do not have to obey their every whims and wishes. Loving god is by being a slave to them. U have to obey watever he say. Loving your neighbour is not the same as loving god. U can't treat your friends as though u treat god such as praying to him etc
To love God can be expressed as loving your neighbour as love for neighbhour is love for God. -
hi! sorry dont have much time these days, so i'll reply juz this oneOriginally posted by stupidissmart:loving your neighbour is like loving your peers. U do not have to obey their every whims and wishes. Loving god is by being a slave to them. U have to obey watever he say. Loving your neighbour is not the same as loving god. U can't treat your friends as though u treat god such as praying to him etc
lets say you love your girlfriend wholeheartedly. you truly love her. lets say one day she asks sex from you. obviously it will benefit you!!! obviously u want it! but because of your true and unconditional love for her, you uphold whatever greater good for the person. you reject her because you love her. she doesnt not get her whim and fancies fufilled because you love her.
thats love
love portrayed in the mass media, modern society is just a farce. bullshit to be exact, why? because it is not selfless. love doesnt tolerant over indulgent behavior for its wise. love has knowledge that the greater good for that person concenred has to prevail always. read 1 Corinthians 13 for a better concept of love. it din say anything about being indulgent? it didnt say anything about forcing your will on people. its character rather than actions. its the thoughts rather than the actions.
do you TRULY love your neighbor? im not saying peers. here in the Bible, neighbor referred to an ENEMY. a neighbour in the Biblical context referred to ANY human, be it someone you love deeply but hates you, someone you totally despise and so on. neighbor is not a peer. we do not have an option of telling God, "Hey can i choose my neighbors". God is saying we are all neighbors to each other.
Even science has explained that we are all neighbors. Friendster works on that scientific concept of the "six degrees of seperation".
We love God and obey Him wholeheartedly because He is good! He has proven Himself over time and time. And we know God loves us very much. We see God's miracles everyday, be it a discovery of a new friend? the joy of a new hobby/talent? the sheer happiness of falling in love? If you say these are the result of collision of atoms, it belittles those indescribable things of life!
And since you want to use Bible as evidence, "For God loved the world so much, He sent His only begotten son to die for our sins".
Therefore we reciprocate. I mean how would u feel if you loved a girl wholeheartedly and unconditionally, love at its purest, and she dislikes you, avoids you, bad mouths you. Why do we have that feeling? Because we have emotions like God. And God feels it alot more painful as His love transcends all boundaries. -
lets say you love your girlfriend wholeheartedly. you truly love her. lets say one day she asks sex from you. obviously it will benefit you!!! obviously u want it! but because of your true and unconditional love for her, you uphold whatever greater good for the person. you reject her because you love her. she doesnt not get her whim and fancies fufilled because you love her.
Tat is a very strange thing u had said. U want to have sex and she want it too. Then u don't give it to her because u think she couldn't think for herself and u can do all the plannings for her own good ? Is tat love ? I see it is more of a controllove portrayed in the mass media, modern society is just a farce. bull@!!@ to be exact, why? because it is not selfless. love doesnt tolerant over indulgent behavior for its wise. love has knowledge that the greater good for that person concenred has to prevail always. read 1 Corinthians 13 for a better concept of love. it din say anything about being indulgent? it didnt say anything about forcing your will on people. its character rather than actions. its the thoughts rather than the actions.
I don't see your example to be selfless either After reading through the given verse, i see no difference to the love in the mass media either the true love describe in shows seems to contain all the things mention as well.do you TRULY love your neighbor? im not saying peers. here in the Bible, neighbor referred to an ENEMY. a neighbour in the Biblical context referred to ANY human, be it someone you love deeply but hates you, someone you totally despise and so on. neighbor is not a peer. we do not have an option of telling God, "Hey can i choose my neighbors". God is saying we are all neighbors to each other.
I am saying u treat neighbours (even enemies) as your peers, not as god. christian treat god differently compared with other human beings. U agree with tat ? U don't go and pray to your enemy isn't it ? People say tat christinity is about relationship with god. Now u r saying it should not be and just being good to your neighbour is sufficient. It seems tat different christians have totally different interpretation of almost everything in their religionWe love God and obey Him wholeheartedly because He is good! He has proven Himself over time and time. And we know God loves us very much. We see God's miracles everyday, be it a discovery of a new friend? the joy of a new hobby/talent? the sheer happiness of falling in love? If you say these are the result of collision of atoms, it belittles those indescribable things of life!
Good ? Wat good deeds had he done ? Proven himself time and time ? Other than inside the bible when had he proven himself ? God loves u much, where do u see tat from ? God miracle must exists in finding new friends ? Then your perception of miracles is very different from normal people. If u ask me, they r a result of coincidences. U think it belittles those indescibable things, but personal opinion is u think too much.Therefore we reciprocate. I mean how would u feel if you loved a girl wholeheartedly and unconditionally, love at its purest, and she dislikes you, avoids you, bad mouths you. Why do we have that feeling? Because we have emotions like God. And God feels it alot more painful as His love transcends all boundaries.
then i will set her free or let her be. I thought u say tat love is not indulging yourself ? I thought love is not selfish ? Now u seems to be hinting tat love need to reciprocate, which it shouldn't be if it is selfless. His love trancends all boundary ? U really do ignore the many passages where it kill off many human just because he think they r not good enough. He sent people to hell because they do not "reciprocate his love" ? I guess u r making the word "love" look bad now -
Originally posted by stupidissmart:
A true Christian's obeys God because he loves God. He does not obey to love God.
loving your neighbour is like loving your peers. U do not have to obey their every whims and wishes. Loving god is by being a slave to them. U have to obey watever he say.
Prayer is one form of loving, loving one's neighbour is another form of loving God.
Loving your neighbour is not the same as loving god. U can't treat your friends as though u treat god such as praying to him etc
Its not being good to neighbour is suffcient. It is loving one's neighbour and loving God with all your heart. And in order for loving one's neighbour and loving God with all your heart to be fufilled, all the 10 commendants have to be obeyed.
Now u r saying it should not be and just being good to your neighbour is sufficient.
As mentioned ealier, loving God can be expressed in loving one's
neighbour and since loving one's neighbour and loving God with all your heart can be expressed as obedince to the 10 commandments, hence it is simplified to loving one's neighbour. -
maybe the end of it all was that everything WAS created out of nothing.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Personally, it is because if u think tat everything need to have some predecessor for it to be formed, then if u ask tis question infinite times, u will come to the point tat something has to be created out of nothing first. Lets say u ask wat cause the big bang. Some scientist believe in explosion of a primeval atom tat created it. Tat if u ask wat create the explosion of a primeval atom, lets say u get the answer to be "bla bla bla" and if u keep on asking, u will reach the conclusion tat everything is created out of nothing. Wat do u think the end answer for it all will be then ?
our knowledge of science may not be right after all.
if like u say, nothing can be created out of nothing, then tell me, where did everything come from? -
A true Christian's obeys God because he loves God. He does not obey to love God.
Com'on man... throughout all the stories in the bible, it had told believers to treat god as though he is his master. Adam was God's gardener, Abel and Cain have to offer things to them, if one offer the wrongs things he got cursed, the people in noah's time died simply because they do't look good inhis eyes, tower of babel destroyed because he do not want men to be united, led the people in Moses time in circles just because they made a golden cow, job was described as being good to god because he kept singing his praise and treat himself as a humble slave towards him and even jesus use a parable to describe god as a harsh king. U have to obey god as though u r a slave. Even in the above, the bottomline is tat christian have to obey god as though they r slaves.Prayer is one form of loving, loving one's neighbour is another form of loving God.
Loving god is different from loving your neighbour. U have to fulfil both parts in order to follow jesusIts not being good to neighbour is suffcient. It is loving one's neighbour and loving God with all your heart. And in order for loving one's neighbour and loving God with all your heart to be fufilled, all the 10 commendants have to be obeyed.
So in short after all these nonsense u agree tat non-believers go to hell ecause they do not obey the 10 commandments and they do not have any relationship with god.As mentioned ealier, loving God can be expressed in loving one's
Loving god is different from loving your neighbour since, as said before they r totally different. Being good to neighbour is being good to the people around u, tat is mainly doing good deeds. Being good to god is by obeying and having some relationship with god. It is 2 criteria. People can be good to other people simply because they believe in other god, and tat breaks the 10 commandments.
neighbour and since loving one's neighbour and loving God with all your heart can be expressed as obedince to the 10 commandments, hence it is simplified to loving one's neighbour.maybe the end of it all was that everything WAS created out of nothing.
Science never really says tat everything can't be created out of nothing. Who knows, maybe hundred years down the road they found out things can be created out of nothing by soem wierd physics law. I may be wrong in the end anyway
our knowledge of science may not be right after all.if like u say, nothing can be created out of nothing, then tell me, where did everything come from?
I say everything may be created out of nothing. Nothing out of nothing has no meaning at all[/quote] -
Of, course God must be treated as he is master. But that treatment is out of love. Jesus used harsh parables for emphasis. The bottomline is that true Christians obey God out of love.
Com'on man... throughout all the stories in the bible, it had told believers to treat god as though he is his master. Adam was God's gardener, Abel and Cain have to offer things to them, if one offer the wrongs things he got cursed, the people in noah's time died simply because they do't look good inhis eyes, tower of babel destroyed because he do not want men to be united, led the people in Moses time in circles just because they made a golden cow, job was described as being good to god because he kept singing his praise and treat himself as a humble slave towards him and even jesus use a parable to describe god as a harsh king. U have to obey god as though u r a slave. Even in the above, the bottomline is tat christian have to obey god as though they r slaves.
Through loving your neighbour you express love for God, thus both parts are fufiled.
Loving god is different from loving your neighbour. U have to fulfil both parts in order to follow jesus
Well, I didn't expect this from you to claim that this is nonsense. I've never insulted any of the reasons you give as nonsensical.
So in short after all these nonsense u agree tat non-believers go to hell ecause they do not obey the 10 commandments and they do not have any relationship with god.
In short, I believe this:
1.For non-believers they fufill the two commendmants when they love thier neighbour thereby obeying all 10 commendmants. Hence they are eligible for heaven.
2. More , importantly, even a Christian which means both faith(prerequiste) and faith inspired works, who has led the best possible life is only saved,by the grace of God.
Love for God can be expressed in loving one's neighbour. There is a vast difference between being loving and being good. People cannot love and break the 10 commandments at the same time.
Loving god is different from loving your neighbour since, as said before they r totally different. Being good to neighbour is being good to the people around u, tat is mainly doing good deeds. Being good to god is by obeying and having some relationship with god. It is 2 criteria. People can be good to other people simply because they believe in other god, and tat breaks the 10 commandments. -
allow me to interrupt. it serves no purpose going at it point by point. there are in total over 400 commandments from GOD. not just the 10 that most people know.