Whats the difference btw the Jews and the christians ?
-
Hi ppl, hope you ppl here can clear my doubts. just want to know the difference if any, or similarities if any.
Reason for this weird question being, if the Jews are the chosen ppl of God, why are the religion followed by the Jews different to the christians ?
Are the jews the more conservative christians as they don't eat pork, practice circumcisions etc ???
And this is not a thread to allow flame throwers to start torching this thread.
regards -
The difference between the Jews & the Christians is very hard to explain.
Basically, the Jews do not recognise Jesus Christ as the Messiah, they are still waiting for their Messiah up to this day.
When Jesus Christ died on the cross & was resurrected on the 3rd day, He provided the only way to God & salvation is through believing in Him.
The Jews have sacrifices to God (as depicted in the book of Leviticus in the Old Testament), while for Christians, Jesus's death was & is the ultimate sacrifice for man's sin.
So now salvation is available to all Gentiles (all human races), which was previously available only to the Jews. -
thats interesting, so that means the Jews are still considered non-christians from the way you put it ?Originally posted by Cepat:The difference between the Jews & the Christians is very hard to explain.
Basically, the Jews do not recognise Jesus Christ as the Messiah, they are still waiting for their Messiah up to this day.
When Jesus Christ died on the cross & was resurrected on the 3rd day, He provided the only way to God & salvation is through believing in Him.
The Jews have sacrifices to God (as depicted in the book of Leviticus in the Old Testament), while for Christians, Jesus's death was & is the ultimate sacrifice for man's sin.
So now salvation is available to all Gentiles (all human races), which was previously available only to the Jews.
so that means Jews rejected Jesus Christ as their Messaiah right ? i remember they plotted to destroy ( kill him) ? -
A Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour & Lord, while a Jew practices Judaism & there's a long history of the Jews as recorded in the Old Testament. Modern day Jews will practice the Torah & the laws taken from the Pentateuch (Leviticus & Deutoronomy).
It is recorded in the 4 Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) that the Jews conspired against Jesus Christ because the Jewish leaders felt threatened by Jesus.
Salvation is now open to all human races (including the Jews). -
yup, the Jews are still waiting for the messiah to come, while Christians believe Jesus Christ IS the messiah.
thats the basic difference. -
This is basically rubbish. Ask any Jew worth his or her salt and you be rebutted easily.Originally posted by Cepat:So now salvation is available to all Gentiles (all human races), which was previously available only to the Jews.
Heard of the Noachide laws? Be glad you're not a Jew who has to obey the 613 commandments! -
If I am not wrong, it is not just the believing of jesus christ. It is 1/2 of the whole scripture, which is called the new testaments
-
okay so whats the situation now ? which part is wrong ? The part abt the Jews waiting for their Messiah ? i'm under this impression that Jews are the traditional belivers of Christ, whereby christians adopt a more tolarent attitude ?Originally posted by Icemoon:This is basically rubbish. Ask any Jew worth his or her salt and you be rebutted easily.
Heard of the Noachide laws? Be glad you're not a Jew who has to obey the 613 commandments! -
The part which is wrong is quoted in my reply which you quoted in your reply which I am quoting nowOriginally posted by one-niner:okay so whats the situation now ? which part is wrong ? The part abt the Jews waiting for their Messiah ? i'm under this impression that Jews are the traditional belivers of Christ, whereby christians adopt a more tolarent attitude ?
You are right. Jews were the traditional believers of Christ - Peter, James and Paul were all Jews. Paul even boasted of his Jewish ancestry, Hebrew of Hebrew, Pharisee of Pharisee, or something like that. -
Icemoon, are you a Christian in the first place? I'm just making a distinction between the Jewish & Christian points of view.Originally posted by Icemoon:This is basically rubbish. Ask any Jew worth his or her salt and you be rebutted easily.
Heard of the Noachide laws? Be glad you're not a Jew who has to obey the 613 commandments!
In the Old Testament, the Jews offered sacrifices in accordance to the law if they committed any sins & they were given special preference over the other races because they were God's chosen people.
With the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the path to salvation was now made available to all races through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
You can read the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles & Revelation which proclaim the 2nd Coming of Christ & salvation to all who believe in Christ. -
Cepat, are you G-d in the first place?Originally posted by Cepat:Icemoon, are you a Christian in the first place? I'm just making a distinction between the Jewish & Christian points of view.
To say "[salvation] was previously available only to the Jews" is very dangerous. You have to explain to one-niner, what happens to those not Jews in the past? You better make yourself clear man.
And what you mean "special preference over the other races"? -
Brudder, don't make it sound so bad can? Firstly, the NT is less than 1/2 of the Christian bible.Originally posted by stupidissmart:If I am not wrong, it is not just the believing of jesus christ. It is 1/2 of the whole scripture, which is called the new testaments
Secondly, I'm sure there are some general truths like loving God, loving neighbours which Jews will also affirm. And I'm sure Jews will also criticise the pedantic attitude of the Pharisees back then .. haha -
Icemoon, I detect the start of a flame (from you)Originally posted by Icemoon:Cepat, are you G-d in the first place?
To say "[salvation] was previously available only to the Jews" is very dangerous. You have to explain to one-niner, what happens to those not Jews in the past? You better make yourself clear man.
And what you mean "special preference over the other races"?
If you studied the history of the Jews, God chose Abraham as the Father of His chosen nation in the book of Genesis. So that explains the "special preference over the other races". I'm not a religious theologian, so please do not try to ask misleading questions.
As for what happened to the other non-Jews, this question you have to ask a religious theologian. As to why the mention of salvation was only available must be seen in the context of the reserrection through the Apostle Paul's epistles. Because the Jews rejected Christ, salvation that was specially reserved for them is now freely available to all races.
You can read this verse to better understand :
Romans 1:16 (from King James Bible)
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
I'm just explaining this from a Christian point of view. So if you choose to explain from a non Christian point of view, please feel free to do so. -
Let me share some insights. The Jewish religion today is not alike the one during the the time of Jesus and before. What we see today is mostly rabbinical judaism, not the religion of the priest and Temple. And rabbinical judaism was born around the time of Jesus (when you start to find synagogues being mentioned). Strictly speaking, rabbinical judaism started to take shape after the time of Jesus and the Pharisees can be considered the spiritual ancestors.Originally posted by one-niner:Reason for this weird question being, if the Jews are the chosen ppl of God, why are the religion followed by the Jews different to the christians ?
The point here is that I want you to know the Jewish religion is not as continuous as we think, from the time God declared the Hebrews to be the chosen race to the present.
Please correct me if there are any grave misconceptions on my part. Thanks! -
I believe Icemoon is a jew, and therefore she is the best person here for this thread. Surely u do not want it to become a one sided thread isn't it ?
Aiyah... NT may not be half in quantity but in importance, it is worth 2X OT mah.. Anyway tis is my thinking..
In terms of times, if I am not wrong Jews start from moses period. Then later the story of christ becomes popular and it formed christians, breaking away from jews. After tis comes muslims, but they do not believe christ to be the son of god but another prophet. After which they had more prophets and mohadmad is the last of them... but on whether is muslim younger than jew or older than jew... I do not know... -
Ice, you did it this timeOriginally posted by stupidissmart:I believe Icemoon is a jew, and therefore she is the best person here for this thread. Surely u do not want it to become a one sided thread isn't it ?
Aiyah... NT may not be half in quantity but in importance, it is worth 2X OT mah.. Anyway tis is my thinking..
In terms of times, if I am not wrong Jews start from moses period. Then later the story of christ becomes popular and it formed christians, breaking away from jews. After tis comes muslims, but they do not believe christ to be the son of god but another prophet. After which they had more prophets and mohadmad is the last of them... but on whether is muslim younger than jew or older than jew... I do not know...
The sons of Israel are known as Hebrews in the time of Moses. After King Solomon, the kingdom of Israel was split into the northern kingdom of Israel and the southern kingdom of Judah. The word jews comes from Judah.
As pointed earlier in this thread, when Jesus came, some believe he is the messiah, and later on, these believers come to be known as christian. Jesus is a jew, so are the early followers of Jesus.
The fundamental difference between Jews and Christians centered on the person of Jesus. -
If I'm not wrong, Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
-
In that case,wads the diff between them and us.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If I'm not wrong, Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah. -
hmmm. impt thing to note would be jews can be christians woh.. judaism is the religon.. jew is the race..
like mentioned, Jews only believe in the Old Testement, while the Christian bible has both Old Test and New Testement.. Jesus Christ and his deeds are the main focus of the New Testement, so although both religons have religous texts in common, the perspective of those who believe in Judaism and Christians is quite different.
(and while Christians come from all races, Judaism is almost all native Jews) -
Messianic Jews are Jews who believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Their beliefs are fundamentally the same as Christians but they don't call themselves Christians partly because of the atrocities committed by Christians against the Jews in history. Furthermore, Christ is the Greek word for Messiah. Instead of using a foreign word to describe their religion which originate from their own race, they use "messianic".Originally posted by fallin:In that case,wads the diff between them and us. -
First post here , to me , the bible is just another novel . If God was really that almighty , why did the people of the world still separate? He gave us freewill , but surely he can appear over national tv since he's so great , and influence us then . Maybe even solving all problems by his will alone . Yet he leaves it to people who are 'converts' to do the job . If I were God , I would have recreated this world , since it's so crappy . What is God waiting for ? If he exists , where is he? Okay ... He's everywhere , but does he really answer prayers ? I'm sure tons of tsunami victims out there are praying or prayed upon to either receive help or even revive the dead . Can't God do all that? Perhaps rain manna on the people , revive the dead(not as zombie though) and even personally escort bad leaders to hell . Apparently , he's just watching . He wants the best for us , but leaves us to solve our problems. So many religions out there , so many different things , and God created them. Why didn't God keep everything on track? Is he on a holiday since thousands of years ago ? Does God only do Genesis ? He shouldn't have sent his son , he can just send legions of angels to convert people , perhaps get the angels to counsol everybody. I'm apolegetic for the long post , God would want us to believe in ourselves , it doesn't really matter to him unless he's real vain. I've tried praying to God , even though I'm an atheist , surely he would show interest in all subjects? Yet I only heard myself , unless I'm God himself. I'm pratically begging God to show mankind the truth , show yourself and people will believe you!
-
So the beliefs by the Jews and the christians are different, so that means christianity itself is similar to Islam where the original context has been rephrased in such a way that the founders of christianity chose it too ?Originally posted by mdfjami:hmmm. impt thing to note would be jews can be christians woh.. judaism is the religon.. jew is the race..
like mentioned, Jews only believe in the Old Testement, while the Christian bible has both Old Test and New Testement.. Jesus Christ and his deeds are the main focus of the New Testement, so although both religons have religous texts in common, the perspective of those who believe in Judaism and Christians is quite different.
(and while Christians come from all races, Judaism is almost all native Jews)
So if christians follow BOTH the teachings of the Old and New Testament,just a question, do u eat seafood like prawns,crabs and pork ? -
You can eat any thing you like. It is what comes out from our mouths that makes us dirty, not what we eat. Lol, but don't go and eat dog poo ah.
-
i think what Monaro_HSV was refering was the abstence from seafood other than fish and pork which as described in the book of Levtitus(sorry not too sure abt the spelling) where it said that one should not consume unclean food like pork and seafood other than fish.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:You can eat any thing you like. It is what comes out from our mouths that makes us dirty, not what we eat. Lol, but don't go and eat dog poo ah.
So one if were to follow the word of God, does it mean that by eating anything means that you are putting your earthly desires before the Word of God ? nice pt to ponder upon ? -
The different between a jew and a christianOriginally posted by fallin:In that case,wads the diff between them and us.
A christian has accepted Jesus Christ , a jew , to be god.
A jew is STILL waiting for one of their own kine to be god.