Unpardonable Sin
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yawnz, i wonder who is doing more personal attacks..Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't retract what i said, since they acknowledge it themselves.
you haven't even examined my character and background, can simply just write me off as dumb. who are you to call others dumb? yet you claim that you are above it all.. you, harp about other's actions affecting the rest of the world, yet you don't see your own action affecting others.. are you so sure that your own actions do not affect others negatively? yet you want to point out the faults of others? bear in mind. i did not point out the fault of mediums.
They acknowledge it? Or just a little cooked up story? Or worse, mass hyteria or delusion by everyone present on the spot?
Go read some more on this in the forum The Shredded Brain, u might gain somemore understanding kid....
Seriously, I dont give a bloody notch on ur background. My attention is directed to u, and to u only. Your little story on tang kees affect everyone who believes in Taoism, since tang kees are actually along this line, unless u wish to say what they practise is not according to Taoism or chinese culture.
U just did point out the faults of the medium, u still dare deny? -
they acknowledge it themselves. they believe that the Holy Spirit is powerful. they don't have to follow, but they definitely do believe. that is ground for my point.Originally posted by laurence82:Yup, its a rather dumb reference (do i have to repeat this?) to chinese tang kee whose concept of god and holy scriptures is different from urs. Non believers especially atheists do not believe in a supreme being, a holy spirit, or even the bibles. Try not (i noe its impossible for u :lol
to link the whole bloody world of people of other faiths to ur version of god and holy spirit. and then talks about how other people cannot see.
Whats the point of this God power is mightier than them thingie? Whats next? Buddhism and Hinduism too?
In multireligous society like sg, u are provoking backlash from members of other religion, whichever it is u are provoking. If this isnt dumb, then i dont noe what else to say....
its like how manson believes in God, but just wants to be against God. just because they don't follow, doesn't mean they don't believe. yea, some people don't believe, but not all who don't follow, means they don't believe. you're just basing your statements that everyone who don't follow simply don't believe.
i'll just point out an example from the bible, the egyptian magicians were pitting their magical abilities with moses, after a few exposure of God's power, they proclaimed that "this is the finger of God." they don't follow, but doesn't mean they don't believe.
why should i retract something they themselves believe to be true? just because you don't believe nor follow doesn't mean it is false. nor can you say that my statements, grounded on what they themselves say, is wrong. how can i insult someone when their own actions justify my point? that they believe that the Holy Spirit is powerful? -
if i am guilty of anything, i am guilty for repeating what they themselves admit to.Originally posted by laurence82:yawnz, i wonder who is doing more personal attacks..
They acknowledge it? Or just a little cooked up story? Or worse, mass hyteria or delusion by everyone present on the spot?
Go read some more on this in the forum The Shredded Brain, u might gain somemore understanding kid....
Seriously, I dont give a bloody notch on ur background. My attention is directed to u, and to u only. Your little story on tang kees affect everyone who believes in Taoism, since tang kees are actually along this line, unless u wish to say what they practise is not according to Taoism or chinese culture.
U just did point out the faults of the medium, u still dare deny?
they admit that they will not do palm reading for baptised christians, neither will they perform their feats of summoning their gods to christians.
if Mr Took admits to killing huang na, and the judge takes his words for it. is the judge wrong for sentencing him? -
Ok lets assume ur story is true for now...Originally posted by dumbdumb!:they acknowledge it themselves. they believe that the Holy Spirit is powerful. they don't have to follow, but they definitely do believe. that is ground for my point.
its like how manson believes in God, but just wants to be against God. just because they don't follow, doesn't mean they don't believe. yea, some people don't believe, but not all who don't follow, means they don't believe. you're just basing your statements that everyone who don't follow simply don't believe.
i'll just point out an example from the bible, the egyptian magicians were pitting their magical abilities with moses, after a few exposure of God's power, they proclaimed that "this is the finger of God." they don't follow, but doesn't mean they don't believe.
why should i retract something they themselves believe to be true? just because you don't believe nor follow doesn't mean it is false. nor can you say that my statements, grounded on what they themselves say, is wrong. how can i insult someone when their own actions justify my point? that they believe that the Holy Spirit is powerful?
U dont have to use chinese medium or in fact taoism as comparison to christianity to prove christianity is superior, dont u?
How low can u get? geez... -
its not about being low. its just that they said it, and i used it. like i said. if the judge gets a confession from Mr Took, and uses it as basis to call him guilty. he can't be considered low. it has no relevance at all. i mean, i'm not familiar with hinduism and islam. if they admit the same thing, which i never heard of it yet. i'd say it also. there's nothing "low" or "high" about my pointOriginally posted by laurence82:Ok lets assume ur story is true for now...
U dont have to use chinese medium or in fact taoism as comparison to christianity to prove christianity is superior, dont u?
How low can u get? geez...
at the very least, i never attacked their character or their dignity or call them names or put them down. the focus wasn't about medium. the focus was about God's power.
don't even talk about chinese mediums. talk about south african witch doctors. there are thousands and thousands of revivals in the rev bonke's ministry in africa. the new believers burnt their idols and other stuff, and witchdoctors renounced and burnt their tools.
lets talk about the revivals in south america, the annacondia ministry, thousands of people walk into the revival, touched by God, not by mere words, and believed. thousands of white magic users and red magic users, or even black magic users conspire to stop the revival, but unable to do so. people attempted to assasinate annacondia, but fell to the floor writhing and demonized, but were delivered by just a word. "Jesus"
a testimony from a person who attempted to assassinate annacondia said that he was armed with a rifle from a block away, scoping at the speaker, but everytime he tries to fire at him, the gun jams, but when he fires else where, the gun works fine, and there is always something which blocks his scope. and finally he was pushed "by an unknown force" towards the revival and he manifested and was delieverd. i'm pretty sure he was "under the influence of booze" when he believed and received with his rifle.
thats the power of the Holy Spirit. they recognise God and they believe. some don't, but they still recognise the power of God which they cannot match. -
woah big talk, similarly, if u view such acts as hoodwinks, non believers have equal right to say the miracle of god as bluff..
all these, every single one of them miracles and stuff and experience with the holy spirit, can be mere illusion, even if they acknowledge it... -
i won't argue or debate if its truth or not. unless its my own experience. i say it as it is. its really up to you to believe. but what about you? were u a medium, can you say that they don't believe that they don't recognise the power of the Holy Spirit? if they themselves say so, who are you to tell me that i am insulting them?Originally posted by laurence82:woah big talk, similarly, if u view such acts as hoodwinks, non believers have equal right to say the miracle of god as bluff..
all these, every single one of them miracles and stuff and experience with the holy spirit, can be mere illusion, even if they acknowledge it...
this is what they say, be it testimonies of people who believe, or people who recognise and admit the power of God, you don't believe, its fine, there wasn't a need to call me dumb.
and another thing. i never said chinese mediums are hoodwinks. i believe there are forces at work. i believe in the supernatural. but i believe, as do they, that God is more powerful. -
ur nick is dumbdumb, i have to call u something do i ? want me to call u beef jerky or mr jenkins?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i won't argue or debate if its truth or not. unless its my own experience. i say it as it is. its really up to you to believe. but what about you? were u a medium, can you say that they don't believe that they don't recognise the power of the Holy Spirit? if they themselves say so, who are you to tell me that i am insulting them?
this is what they say, be it testimonies of people who believe, or people who recognise and admit the power of God, you don't believe, its fine, there wasn't a need to call me dumb.
I didnt say u are insulting those foolish mediums, I am saying u are insulting Taoism or whichever faith these mediums used to be.
Seems u are forver in denial u are spitting on other religion. I forgive u, just as i forgive all xtians who have been like this all the time... -
you're sure that you calling me dumb, was simply because of my nick?Originally posted by laurence82:ur nick is dumbdumb, i have to call u something do i ? want me to call u beef jerky or mr jenkins?
I didnt say u are insulting those foolish mediums, I am saying u are insulting Taoism or whichever faith these mediums used to be.
Seems u are forver in denial u are spitting on other religion. I forgive u, just as i forgive all xtians who have been like this all the time...
there is a difference in calling me dumb and calling me dumbdumb as an acknowledgement of my existance.
shrugs. they admit to it themselves, i just repeated what they said. -
u are both anyway....Originally posted by dumbdumb!:you're sure that you calling me dumb, was simply because of my nick?
there is a difference in calling me dumb and calling me dumbdumb as an acknowledgement of my existance. -
then i guess i'll have to change my nick.Originally posted by laurence82:u are both anyway.... -
Let me make u a last offer. Retract all those bloody things u said about Chinese mediums to prove Christianity is superior to other religions, else i am gonna start playing with u real hard now and near future, little kid..
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ur game of hardball is welcomed then. i won't retract what i said, because it would contradict with what the mediums themselves said. and i'm just simply too nice a guy to disrespect what they said in this area.Originally posted by laurence82:Let me make u a last offer. Retract all those bloody things u said about Chinese mediums to prove Christianity is superior to other religions, else i am gonna start playing with u real hard now and near future, little kid..
and God can prove that He is superior by Himself without my help. the mediums' acknowledgements are proof enough . besides, i'm too crappy a christian to display God's goodness anyway. sadly, i'm better at doing otherwise. *shrugs* -
I read once a Chicks article.
He said Singapore Religious Harmony Act which official line is to promote religious harmony and prevent condemnation of other religion, is actually a farce, to stop christian evangelism..
He made a lot of noise about it.
U noe what? Thank god for those religious harmony act which prevent u from saying all those things u said in forum, in the public, little kid...
I am glad for those act, and i am glad i lives in sg... -
Carry on ur denial man..
In the end, u wouldnt dare say such things in public, meaning u dont have much faith, or that u will do such thing, u do have faith, but u dont have much of grey matter in the head of urs... -
yea i'm glad to live in singapore also. except for the weather. its one of the better countries to live in.Originally posted by laurence82:I read once a Chicks article.
He said Singapore Religious Harmony Act which official line is to promote religious harmony and prevent condemnation of other religion, is actually a farce, to stop christian evangelism..
He made a lot of noise about it.
U noe what? Thank god for those religious harmony act which prevent u from saying all those things u said in forum, in the public, little kid...
I am glad for those act, and i am glad i lives in sg...
nothing wrong with evangelism, if they believe, they believe, they don't, they don't. my family believed. thats enough. my dad saw the power of God, and he believed. and he plays harder ball than you with me when i first became a christian anyway. -
I would prefer the two of you settle this in PM. Once the thread starter gives me the green light, I will lock this thread till further notice. Thanks.
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for me, its the lack of faith. when i first became a christian. it was really an exciting time to share with my family.Originally posted by laurence82:Carry on ur denial man..
In the end, u wouldnt dare say such things in public, meaning u dont have much faith, or that u will do such thing, u do have faith, but u dont have much of grey matter in the head of urs... -
haha. yea okOriginally posted by sillyme:I would prefer the two of you settle this in PM. Once the thread starter gives me the green light, I will lock this thread till further notice. Thanks.
but i said what i wanted to say about the unpardonable sin anyway. took me quite a while to find my dad's bible. haha. -
run away from ur mistakes? such a bad boy..
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sillyme,go ahead. No way i want this flame war to escalate.
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Re-opened for discussion
Keep it cool
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No frigging way....
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Hi .. This is my first post here!
laurence82,
Guess dumbdumb didn't really mean to demean other religion or make Christianity more superior ..
As a Christian, I appreciate your feedback and criticism. It helps us see in the perspective of another
Back to the topic .. I guess the unpardonable sin is a persistent rejection of God's Spirit and thus His salvation. Without accepting the Holy Spirit, the door of salvation through Christ is closed, and so this sin becomes .. unpardonable
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welcome 777,enjoy your stay here.