What high capacity buses you want SMRT to buy?
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Originally posted by SBS7777Y:
...yeah, you should go back to watching pornos and stuff.
(I would have posted something that's fully not OT for once, but I have to take care of this guy)
Why does someone in this forum think that Superlions are awesome and bash on other buses like KUBs and Citaros? I wanna know...
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Probably the output and the twin stage turbo of the engine that made them love the buses...But frankly its the most powerful citybus SMRT ever bought.I knew a few A22s acceleration are almost on par with Sonatas/Chevrolet turbodiesel taxis.The bus can take over N113CRB in terms of low torque power..
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Probably the output and the twin stage turbo of the engine that made them love the buses...But frankly its the most powerful citybus SMRT ever bought.I knew a few A22s acceleration are almost on par with Sonatas/Chevrolet turbodiesel taxis.The bus can take over N113CRB in terms of low torque power..
Most powerful might just mean "most breakdowns" I believe (which will happen in due time), so SMRT should buy as many Superlions as SBST did with Volvo B10BLEs.
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Breakdown mainly from the low standard SMRT maintenance
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Given SMRT's routes and deployments, id recommend the following:
1. MAN NG363F A24 (18m, GML/LCG Licensed)
2. MAN NL323F A26 (14.7m, GML/LCL Licensed)
2. Volvo B9TL (11m, WEG2)
A24: High capacity and low dwell time as compared to DDs or conventional 12m SDs. An A24 will comfortably take 120 ppl and 2 exit doors speed things up in the neighbouhood when everyones either rushing to catch that trunk/train or simply get to school. While others in this thread have recommended the integral LCG, i would go for the GML bodied licensed LCG (similar to 388S but with a lower roof like the A22s) to reduce costs. A side benefit of having a full A24 feeder fleet is that the number of buses on feeder duty can be kept consistent, leaving 12m SDs to be deployed on trunk routes where demand can vary from time to time.
A26: Higher seating capacity and driveline suitability for trunk-express routes (969, 965, 858). 12m DDs will suffer swell time problems as mentioned below, and a general problem with DDs are the creation of 'choke points' at the stairwells when pax are unable to board the upper deck whilst alighting from the upper deck is underway. Personal perference, although I will agree that 12m DDs can be used for such routes (opening this up for further debate).
11m B9TL: the 12m B9TL lacks the dwell time advantage of the A24, and since it makes less sense to hold up nearly 100 ppl due to a fraction of those alighting at major stops, a shorter version of the B9TL mititates dwell time problems with 12m DDs whilst retaining some capacity advantage over regular 12m SDs (90 as compared to 70) for trunk duties. Similarly, the 11m DD has advantages in the city area wrt maneuverability and safety as comapred to 12m SDs or even articulated buses. -
I like the A26 as mentioned above. + the A24
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Buy 500 Volvo b10tle for sbs transit and 500 man A22 and 250 a22
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Originally posted by SBS9067A:
...yeah, you should go back to watching pornos and stuff.
(I would have posted something that's fully not OT for once, but I have to take care of this guy)
Why does someone in this forum think that Superlions are awesome and bash on other buses like KUBs and Citaros? I wanna know...
What is a Superlion? What is a Volvo B10TLE? What's with all the funny names these days that do not exist?
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SMRT Transit should get this
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Originally posted by sgbuses:
What is a Superlion? What is a Volvo B10TLE? What's with all the funny names these days that do not exist?
Superlion is a codename for a secret high facility analysing UFOs in Singapore
B10TLE is a Toto number -
Wah lao apron bus,narrow roads sure die la,lucky its not Tata bus or Ashok Leyland buses...
SMRT in fact should tell MAN to custom 12m tri axles low floor DDs with 360 hp and a few units of Scania N280UB while SBST should consider Alexander Dennis E500NG 340 hp and either Volvo B8L or the new 7.7liter New Citaros
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Wah lao apron bus,narrow roads sure die la,lucky its not Tata bus or Ashok Leyland buses...
SMRT in fact should tell MAN to custom 12m tri axles low floor DDs with 360 hp and a few units of Scania N280UB while SBST should consider Alexander Dennis E500NG 340 hp and either Volvo B8L or the new 7.7liter New Citaros
The name of the game: PROFIT. It's the sad truth, but they just buy whatever's the cheapest or something, I'm quite sure.
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Standardise rather than chap pa lang fleets.Whats the use of having MANs,MBs,Scanias,Volvos,Dennis,Van Hool if the maintenance standards sucks?
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Originally posted by carbikebus:
Standardise rather than chap pa lang fleets.Whats the use of having MANs,MBs,Scanias,Volvos,Dennis,Van Hool if the maintenance standards sucks?
That's the presise reason why I said SBST and SMRT should merge in some other topic. Better bus maintainence and service for everyone, especially in Woodlands and Choa Chu Kang.
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Originally posted by AnythingGoesLa:
Given SMRT's routes and deployments, id recommend the following:
1. MAN NG363F A24 (18m, GML/LCG Licensed)
2. MAN NL323F A26 (14.7m, GML/LCL Licensed)
2. Volvo B9TL (11m, WEG2)
A24: High capacity and low dwell time as compared to DDs or conventional 12m SDs. An A24 will comfortably take 120 ppl and 2 exit doors speed things up in the neighbouhood when everyones either rushing to catch that trunk/train or simply get to school. While others in this thread have recommended the integral LCG, i would go for the GML bodied licensed LCG (similar to 388S but with a lower roof like the A22s) to reduce costs. A side benefit of having a full A24 feeder fleet is that the number of buses on feeder duty can be kept consistent, leaving 12m SDs to be deployed on trunk routes where demand can vary from time to time.
A26: Higher seating capacity and driveline suitability for trunk-express routes (969, 965, 858). 12m DDs will suffer swell time problems as mentioned below, and a general problem with DDs are the creation of 'choke points' at the stairwells when pax are unable to board the upper deck whilst alighting from the upper deck is underway. Personal perference, although I will agree that 12m DDs can be used for such routes (opening this up for further debate).
11m B9TL: the 12m B9TL lacks the dwell time advantage of the A24, and since it makes less sense to hold up nearly 100 ppl due to a fraction of those alighting at major stops, a shorter version of the B9TL mititates dwell time problems with 12m DDs whilst retaining some capacity advantage over regular 12m SDs (90 as compared to 70) for trunk duties. Similarly, the 11m DD has advantages in the city area wrt maneuverability and safety as comapred to 12m SDs or even articulated buses.I like your idea about the A26s. But unlike the A22 (chassis version of intergral body A21) and A24 (chassis version of integral A23), there is no chassis version of the intergral A26 offered, so the integral bus have to be ordered.
I have suggested this long time ago when SBS997A was still around but I was always told that these type of rigids are too long (SBS997A was 14.5m, 14.7m could be even worser). Recently MAN has came up with the 13.7m A26 (Lion's City C), which slots in between 12m and 14.7m, which I think that would be perfect, and the third door is justifiable.
Here is the current integral and chassis lineup for MAN buses and coaches: http://www.manpeople.mantruckandbus.com/man/media/migrated/doc/mn_group_2/MAN_Bus_Program__en_.pdf
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SBST takes back BBT,CCK & BPJ while Give SMRT Tuas,Joo Koon & Boon Lay since Wenya is less or more the same capacity as Sldep.Sldep control Jurong East,Clementi & Buona Vista.Kjdep handed over to SBST as a sub bus park for Bbdep.SMRT Amdep handed over to SBST as a sub bus park for Amdep.Yishun also better under SBST.Eunos and Upp East Coast plus Changi bus park upgraded with roof refuelling areas bus washers and maintenance bays give to SMRT
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Originally posted by SBS9C:
I like your idea about the A26s. But unlike the A22 (chassis version of intergral body A21) and A24 (chassis version of integral A23), there is no chassis version of the intergral A26 offered, so the integral bus have to be ordered.
I have suggested this long time ago when SBS997A was still around but I was always told that these type of rigids are too long (SBS997A was 14.5m, 14.7m could be even worser). Recently MAN has came up with the 13.7m A26 (Lion's City C), which slots in between 12m and 14.7m, which I think that would be perfect, and the third door is justifiable.
Here is the current integral and chassis lineup for MAN buses and coaches: http://www.manpeople.mantruckandbus.com/man/media/migrated/doc/mn_group_2/MAN_Bus_Program__en_.pdf
Agree, although the MAN LC series differ from the Citaro family of buses in the sense that the LC is a MAN chassis bodied in-house by MAN whilst the Citaro is a proper integral (where the chassis and bodywork are one). Given this key difference, and that GML is appointed MAN's strategic partner in this region (at least SEA), I believe that the A26 chassis can and may be bodied by GML with the LCL-licensed bodywork.
I did toy with the idea of a 13.7m A26, but the nos of additional seats (as compared to an A22) made the 13.7m a lesser relevant alternative. Some figures: a 13.7m A26 would only afford you 8 more seats than an A22's current seating pax, whilst the 14.7m variant would add another 16-20 more seats.
Although i will agree with you that the 13.7m A26 is more maneuverable, I would go a further step to reroute these trunk-express routes to take the main avenues than the narrowed-up roads like YA5 (Yis Ave 5) and the maze of roads leading into TPY INT, SK INT etc. Trunk-express buses shouldnt even be doing feeder duties in the towns they transit by, should they?
GML MAN's Strategic Partner: picked this up frm somewhere, but the gist is that GML will now body MAN chassis with a LICENSED version of the original LC bodywork for regional customers who specify the LC bodywork for the buses/chassis ordered.
Oh, and before I forget, the 3rd door is NOT AN OPTION for even the RHD A26 because of engine placement issues that the Citaros and A22s suffer from. EVEN IF you can squeeze 2 exit doors before the drive axle on the A26, it would make little/no sense to have them in such close proximity to each other. -
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Originally posted by SBS7777Y:
